[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)

eugene hayhoe jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 19 07:23:02 PDT 2014


I'm only going by the sounds in the grooves; I consider 'what they looked like' irrelevant to the sounds of the music.



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On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 10:02 AM
 
 Carl perkins, Jerry Lee, Elvis 
 what a talents they were..
 
 (dont get me wrong I really dig the black musicians
 wholelot)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:
 
 > The LYRICS were the point, not the recording date.
 >
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
 Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 9:23 AM
 >
 >  This Carl Perkins  recording is
 >  from 1956...so quite a bit later..
 >
 >  Earliest real Rock a Billy tune by Carl was GONE
 GONE GONE
 >  from mid 1955
 >
 >  Before that he had Turn Around  (country
 tear jerker))
 >  and Movie Magg is a
 >  bit more like it but hell no .. not like 
 Good Rocking
 >  Tonight!
 >
 >  Plus Carl was not cool, balding en moved like a
 broomstick
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM, eugene hayhoe
 <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 > >wrote:
 >
 >  > Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event
 that happened
 >  later was the
 >  > first.'
 >  >
 >  > Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something
 about the
 >  truth:
 >  >
 >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
 >  > ''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it
 must be
 >  goin' 'round...''
 >  >
 >  > I've no problems with Presley, I just know
 that 'even
 >  he knew he wasn't
 >  > the first.'
 >  >
 >  > http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html
 >  >
 >  >
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 >  > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
 rising (was:
 >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53
 AM
 >  >
 >  >  Buddy Holly said he was the first
 >  >
 >  >  Roy Orbison stated the same as John
 Lennon...
 >  >
 >  >  Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form
 Elvis then
 >  the other
 >  >  way around.."
 >  >
 >  >  Somehow I trust the opinions of the
 above
 >  mentioned
 >  >  gentlemen a bit more
 >  >  then what is thrown around here..
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM,
 eugene hayhoe
 >  <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 >  > >wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  > ''The train I ride, 16 couches
 long...''
 >  >  >
 >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
 >  >  > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
 >  >  >
 >  >  > 'Junior Parker, not particularly
 marketable
 >  to white
 >  >  teen girls in 1950s
 >  >  > America,' LOL.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > As for the musical elements,
 'they are all
 >  there.'
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  --------------------------------------------
 >  >  > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer
 <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 >  >  wrote:
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
 & Roll
 >  rising (was:
 >  >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  >  Date: Wednesday, March 19,
 2014, 8:34
 >  AM
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  to me rock n roll is almost
 more
 >  >  >  informed an attitude then a
 pure
 >  musical
 >  >  >  style;;
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  and there was only ONE who
 had it ALL
 >  together in
 >  >  summer of
 >  >  >  1954 (the
 >  >  >  clothes,good looks, 
 the
 >  attitude, the
 >  >  moves, that NEW
 >  >  >  sound...a band
 >  >  >  sound  new so cool,
 >  streamlined..
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  Elvis is man who started
 it..
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at
 6:46 PM,
 >  eugene hayhoe
 >  >  <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 >  >  > >wrote:
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  > And then, of course,
 going back
 >  to Sun,
 >  >  there are the
 >  >  >  numerous pre-Presley
 >  >  >  > Sun sides that were
 templates for
 >  late '60s
 >  >  >  'blues/rock' like James
 >  >  >  > Cotton's Cotton Crop
 Blues,
 >  Wolf's How Many
 >  >  More Years?
 >  >  >  and numerous of
 >  >  >  > Junior Parker's Sun
 recordings to
 >  name just
 >  >  a
 >  >  >  few.   From
 what I've
 >  read,
 >  >  >  > Hendrix's use of the
 name
 >  'the Blue
 >  >  Flames' was
 >  >  >  in direct homage to Parker
 >  >  >  > and his records.
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > I'd also say 'let's
 not forget
 >  the Ravens'
 >  >  when it
 >  >  >  comes to 'r&b/country
 >  >  >  > crossover.'
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
 >  >  >  > Rooster
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >
 >  > 
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 >  >  >  > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe
 Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
 >  >  >  wrote:
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >  Subject: Re:
 [78-L] Rock
 >  & Roll
 >  >  rising (was:
 >  >  >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  >  >  To: "78-L Mail
 List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  >  >  Date: Tuesday,
 March 18,
 >  2014, 12:06
 >  >  PM
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >   -----
 Original
 >  Message
 >  >  -----
 >  >  >  >  From: eugene
 hayhoe
 >  >  >  >  Sent: 03/17/14
 05:53 PM
 >  >  >  >  To: 78-L Mail
 List
 >  >  >  >  Subject: Re:
 [78-L] Rock
 >  & Roll
 >  >  rising (was:
 >  >  >  Escott, was
 >  >  >  >  Arnold Covey)
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >  Country's here,
 so is
 >  Wynonie -
 >  >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
 >  >  >  Penny's
 >  >  >  >  Bloodshot
 EyesFrom a few
 >  years after
 >  >  their
 >  >  >  formation on,
 >  >  >  >  King assigned
 songs they
 >  controlled to
 >  >  artists
 >  >  >  without
 >  >  >  >  worrying about
 the origins
 >  of the
 >  >  songs (for
 >  >  >  financial
 >  >  >  >  reasons), which
 is
 >  something Louis
 >  >  Jordan had not
 >  >  >  been
 >  >  >  >  worrying about
 for years
 >  too. But
 >  >  there was
 >  >  >  rarely much
 >  >  >  >  "hillbilly"
 about the
 >  performances by
 >  >  the black
 >  >  >  artists in
 >  >  >  >  those situations
 during
 >  that period
 >  >  (as an aside,
 >  >  >  imo even
 >  >  >  >  Otis Blackwell's
 conscious
 >  attempts to
 >  >  sound
 >  >  >  somewhat
 >  >  >  >  hillbilly about
 '52 didn't
 >  sound all
 >  >  that
 >  >  >  > 
 hillbilly).Paralleling
 >  Cary's point
 >  >  that if a
 >  >  >  hillbilly band
 >  >  >  >  added a
 saxophonist, that's
 >  a clue
 >  >  they were
 >  >  >  interested in
 >  >  >  >  R&B, when a
 black band
 >  added
 >  >  >  hillbilly-associated
 >  >  >  >  instrumentation
 that was a
 >  clue they
 >  >  were
 >  >  >  interested in
 >  >  >  >  hillbilly music,
 e.g. steel
 >  guitar on
 >  >  Buddy
 >  >  >  Lucas's
 >  >  >  >  "Undecided" in
 about '51 --
 >  but that
 >  >  approach was
 >  >  >  very rare
 >  >  >  >  in black music
 during
 >  '45-'49. E.g.
 >  >  there were
 >  >  >  tons of
 >  >  >  >  blacks who
 rememb
 >  >  >  >   ered
 how to play
 >  the fiddle
 >  >  as of the
 >  >  >  late '40s and the
 >  >  >  >  opportunity to
 do so on
 >  R&B
 >  >  records was
 >  >  >  almost zero, in
 >  >  >  >  contrast to
 greater use of
 >  fiddle back
 >  >  when Big
 >  >  >  Joe Williams
 >  >  >  >  began recording
 and
 >  earlier. Roy
 >  >  Milton recorded
 >  >  >  a nice
 >  >  >  >  "Along The
 Navajo Trail" in
 >  actual
 >  >  hillbillyish
 >  >  >  style
 >  >  >  >  (unlike e.g.
 Wynonie imo)
 >  in about
 >  >  '47, Specialty
 >  >  >  didn't
 >  >  >  >  bother to put it
 out at
 >  the
 >  >  time.Joseph Scott
 >  >  >  >
 >  > 
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