[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
eugene hayhoe
jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 19 07:23:02 PDT 2014
I'm only going by the sounds in the grooves; I consider 'what they looked like' irrelevant to the sounds of the music.
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On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 10:02 AM
Carl perkins, Jerry Lee, Elvis
what a talents they were..
(dont get me wrong I really dig the black musicians
wholelot)
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> The LYRICS were the point, not the recording date.
>
>
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> On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 9:23 AM
>
> This Carl Perkins recording is
> from 1956...so quite a bit later..
>
> Earliest real Rock a Billy tune by Carl was GONE
GONE GONE
> from mid 1955
>
> Before that he had Turn Around (country
tear jerker))
> and Movie Magg is a
> bit more like it but hell no .. not like
Good Rocking
> Tonight!
>
> Plus Carl was not cool, balding en moved like a
broomstick
>
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM, eugene hayhoe
<jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event
that happened
> later was the
> > first.'
> >
> > Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something
about the
> truth:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
> > ''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it
must be
> goin' 'round...''
> >
> > I've no problems with Presley, I just know
that 'even
> he knew he wasn't
> > the first.'
> >
> > http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html
> >
> >
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> > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
rising (was:
> Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53
AM
> >
> > Buddy Holly said he was the first
> >
> > Roy Orbison stated the same as John
Lennon...
> >
> > Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form
Elvis then
> the other
> > way around.."
> >
> > Somehow I trust the opinions of the
above
> mentioned
> > gentlemen a bit more
> > then what is thrown around here..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM,
eugene hayhoe
> <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > ''The train I ride, 16 couches
long...''
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
> > > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
> > >
> > > 'Junior Parker, not particularly
marketable
> to white
> > teen girls in 1950s
> > > America,' LOL.
> > >
> > > As for the musical elements,
'they are all
> there.'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer
<ekluwer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
& Roll
> rising (was:
> > Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> > > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, March 19,
2014, 8:34
> AM
> > >
> > > to me rock n roll is almost
more
> > > informed an attitude then a
pure
> musical
> > > style;;
> > >
> > > and there was only ONE who
had it ALL
> together in
> > summer of
> > > 1954 (the
> > > clothes,good looks,
the
> attitude, the
> > moves, that NEW
> > > sound...a band
> > > sound new so cool,
> streamlined..
> > >
> > > Elvis is man who started
it..
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at
6:46 PM,
> eugene hayhoe
> > <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > And then, of course,
going back
> to Sun,
> > there are the
> > > numerous pre-Presley
> > > > Sun sides that were
templates for
> late '60s
> > > 'blues/rock' like James
> > > > Cotton's Cotton Crop
Blues,
> Wolf's How Many
> > More Years?
> > > and numerous of
> > > > Junior Parker's Sun
recordings to
> name just
> > a
> > > few. From
what I've
> read,
> > > > Hendrix's use of the
name
> 'the Blue
> > Flames' was
> > > in direct homage to Parker
> > > > and his records.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd also say 'let's
not forget
> the Ravens'
> > when it
> > > comes to 'r&b/country
> > > > crossover.'
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
> > > > Rooster
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe
Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re:
[78-L] Rock
> & Roll
> > rising (was:
> > > Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> > > > To: "78-L Mail
List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday,
March 18,
> 2014, 12:06
> > PM
> > > >
> > > > -----
Original
> Message
> > -----
> > > > From: eugene
hayhoe
> > > > Sent: 03/17/14
05:53 PM
> > > > To: 78-L Mail
List
> > > > Subject: Re:
[78-L] Rock
> & Roll
> > rising (was:
> > > Escott, was
> > > > Arnold Covey)
> > > >
> > > > Country's here,
so is
> Wynonie -
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
> > > Penny's
> > > > Bloodshot
EyesFrom a few
> years after
> > their
> > > formation on,
> > > > King assigned
songs they
> controlled to
> > artists
> > > without
> > > > worrying about
the origins
> of the
> > songs (for
> > > financial
> > > > reasons), which
is
> something Louis
> > Jordan had not
> > > been
> > > > worrying about
for years
> too. But
> > there was
> > > rarely much
> > > > "hillbilly"
about the
> performances by
> > the black
> > > artists in
> > > > those situations
during
> that period
> > (as an aside,
> > > imo even
> > > > Otis Blackwell's
conscious
> attempts to
> > sound
> > > somewhat
> > > > hillbilly about
'52 didn't
> sound all
> > that
> > > >
hillbilly).Paralleling
> Cary's point
> > that if a
> > > hillbilly band
> > > > added a
saxophonist, that's
> a clue
> > they were
> > > interested in
> > > > R&B, when a
black band
> added
> > > hillbilly-associated
> > > > instrumentation
that was a
> clue they
> > were
> > > interested in
> > > > hillbilly music,
e.g. steel
> guitar on
> > Buddy
> > > Lucas's
> > > > "Undecided" in
about '51 --
> but that
> > approach was
> > > very rare
> > > > in black music
during
> '45-'49. E.g.
> > there were
> > > tons of
> > > > blacks who
rememb
> > > > ered
how to play
> the fiddle
> > as of the
> > > late '40s and the
> > > > opportunity to
do so on
> R&B
> > records was
> > > almost zero, in
> > > > contrast to
greater use of
> fiddle back
> > when Big
> > > Joe Williams
> > > > began recording
and
> earlier. Roy
> > Milton recorded
> > > a nice
> > > > "Along The
Navajo Trail" in
> actual
> > hillbillyish
> > > style
> > > > (unlike e.g.
Wynonie imo)
> in about
> > '47, Specialty
> > > didn't
> > > > bother to put it
out at
> the
> > time.Joseph Scott
> > > >
> >
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