[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)

Erwin Kluwer ekluwer at gmail.com
Wed Mar 19 07:02:27 PDT 2014


Carl perkins, Jerry Lee, Elvis  what a talents they were..

(dont get me wrong I really dig the black musicians wholelot)






On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> The LYRICS were the point, not the recording date.
>
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> On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 9:23 AM
>
>  This Carl Perkins  recording is
>  from 1956...so quite a bit later..
>
>  Earliest real Rock a Billy tune by Carl was GONE GONE GONE
>  from mid 1955
>
>  Before that he had Turn Around  (country tear jerker))
>  and Movie Magg is a
>  bit more like it but hell no .. not like  Good Rocking
>  Tonight!
>
>  Plus Carl was not cool, balding en moved like a broomstick
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>  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
>  > Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event that happened
>  later was the
>  > first.'
>  >
>  > Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something about the
>  truth:
>  >
>  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
>  > ''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it must be
>  goin' 'round...''
>  >
>  > I've no problems with Presley, I just know that 'even
>  he knew he wasn't
>  > the first.'
>  >
>  > http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html
>  >
>  > --------------------------------------------
>  > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
>  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53 AM
>  >
>  >  Buddy Holly said he was the first
>  >
>  >  Roy Orbison stated the same as John Lennon...
>  >
>  >  Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form Elvis then
>  the other
>  >  way around.."
>  >
>  >  Somehow I trust the opinions of the above
>  mentioned
>  >  gentlemen a bit more
>  >  then what is thrown around here..
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, eugene hayhoe
>  <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
>  > >wrote:
>  >
>  >  > ''The train I ride, 16 couches long...''
>  >  >
>  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
>  >  > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
>  >  >
>  >  > 'Junior Parker, not particularly marketable
>  to white
>  >  teen girls in 1950s
>  >  > America,' LOL.
>  >  >
>  >  > As for the musical elements, 'they are all
>  there.'
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  >  > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
>  >  wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
>  rising (was:
>  >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  >  >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:34
>  AM
>  >  >
>  >  >  to me rock n roll is almost more
>  >  >  informed an attitude then a pure
>  musical
>  >  >  style;;
>  >  >
>  >  >  and there was only ONE who had it ALL
>  together in
>  >  summer of
>  >  >  1954 (the
>  >  >  clothes,good looks,  the
>  attitude, the
>  >  moves, that NEW
>  >  >  sound...a band
>  >  >  sound  new so cool,
>  streamlined..
>  >  >
>  >  >  Elvis is man who started it..
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM,
>  eugene hayhoe
>  >  <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
>  >  > >wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  >  > And then, of course, going back
>  to Sun,
>  >  there are the
>  >  >  numerous pre-Presley
>  >  >  > Sun sides that were templates for
>  late '60s
>  >  >  'blues/rock' like James
>  >  >  > Cotton's Cotton Crop Blues,
>  Wolf's How Many
>  >  More Years?
>  >  >  and numerous of
>  >  >  > Junior Parker's Sun recordings to
>  name just
>  >  a
>  >  >  few.   From what I've
>  read,
>  >  >  > Hendrix's use of the name
>  'the Blue
>  >  Flames' was
>  >  >  in direct homage to Parker
>  >  >  > and his records.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I'd also say 'let's not forget
>  the Ravens'
>  >  when it
>  >  >  comes to 'r&b/country
>  >  >  > crossover.'
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
>  >  >  > Rooster
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  --------------------------------------------
>  >  >  > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
>  >  >  wrote:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
>  & Roll
>  >  rising (was:
>  >  >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  >  >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  >  >  >  Date: Tuesday, March 18,
>  2014, 12:06
>  >  PM
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >   ----- Original
>  Message
>  >  -----
>  >  >  >  From: eugene hayhoe
>  >  >  >  Sent: 03/17/14 05:53 PM
>  >  >  >  To: 78-L Mail List
>  >  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
>  & Roll
>  >  rising (was:
>  >  >  Escott, was
>  >  >  >  Arnold Covey)
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  Country's here, so is
>  Wynonie -
>  >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
>  >  >  Penny's
>  >  >  >  Bloodshot EyesFrom a few
>  years after
>  >  their
>  >  >  formation on,
>  >  >  >  King assigned songs they
>  controlled to
>  >  artists
>  >  >  without
>  >  >  >  worrying about the origins
>  of the
>  >  songs (for
>  >  >  financial
>  >  >  >  reasons), which is
>  something Louis
>  >  Jordan had not
>  >  >  been
>  >  >  >  worrying about for years
>  too. But
>  >  there was
>  >  >  rarely much
>  >  >  >  "hillbilly" about the
>  performances by
>  >  the black
>  >  >  artists in
>  >  >  >  those situations during
>  that period
>  >  (as an aside,
>  >  >  imo even
>  >  >  >  Otis Blackwell's conscious
>  attempts to
>  >  sound
>  >  >  somewhat
>  >  >  >  hillbilly about '52 didn't
>  sound all
>  >  that
>  >  >  >  hillbilly).Paralleling
>  Cary's point
>  >  that if a
>  >  >  hillbilly band
>  >  >  >  added a saxophonist, that's
>  a clue
>  >  they were
>  >  >  interested in
>  >  >  >  R&B, when a black band
>  added
>  >  >  hillbilly-associated
>  >  >  >  instrumentation that was a
>  clue they
>  >  were
>  >  >  interested in
>  >  >  >  hillbilly music, e.g. steel
>  guitar on
>  >  Buddy
>  >  >  Lucas's
>  >  >  >  "Undecided" in about '51 --
>  but that
>  >  approach was
>  >  >  very rare
>  >  >  >  in black music during
>  '45-'49. E.g.
>  >  there were
>  >  >  tons of
>  >  >  >  blacks who rememb
>  >  >  >   ered how to play
>  the fiddle
>  >  as of the
>  >  >  late '40s and the
>  >  >  >  opportunity to do so on
>  R&B
>  >  records was
>  >  >  almost zero, in
>  >  >  >  contrast to greater use of
>  fiddle back
>  >  when Big
>  >  >  Joe Williams
>  >  >  >  began recording and
>  earlier. Roy
>  >  Milton recorded
>  >  >  a nice
>  >  >  >  "Along The Navajo Trail" in
>  actual
>  >  hillbillyish
>  >  >  style
>  >  >  >  (unlike e.g. Wynonie imo)
>  in about
>  >  '47, Specialty
>  >  >  didn't
>  >  >  >  bother to put it out at
>  the
>  >  time.Joseph Scott
>  >  >  >
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