[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)

[eugene hayhoe]

Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event that happened later was the first.'

Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something about the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it must be goin' 'round...''

I've no problems with Presley, I just know that 'even he knew he wasn't the first.'

http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html

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On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53 AM
 
 Buddy Holly said he was the first
 
 Roy Orbison stated the same as John Lennon...
 
 Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form Elvis then the other
 way around.."
 
 Somehow I trust the opinions of the above mentioned
 gentlemen a bit more
 then what is thrown around here..
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:
 
 > ''The train I ride, 16 couches long...''
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
 > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
 >
 > 'Junior Parker, not particularly marketable to white
 teen girls in 1950s
 > America,' LOL.
 >
 > As for the musical elements, 'they are all there.'
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
 Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:34 AM
 >
 >  to me rock n roll is almost more
 >  informed an attitude then a pure musical
 >  style;;
 >
 >  and there was only ONE who had it ALL together in
 summer of
 >  1954 (the
 >  clothes,good looks,  the attitude, the
 moves, that NEW
 >  sound...a band
 >  sound  new so cool, streamlined..
 >
 >  Elvis is man who started it..
 >
 >
 >  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM, eugene hayhoe
 <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 > >wrote:
 >
 >  > And then, of course, going back to Sun,
 there are the
 >  numerous pre-Presley
 >  > Sun sides that were templates for late '60s
 >  'blues/rock' like James
 >  > Cotton's Cotton Crop Blues, Wolf's How Many
 More Years?
 >  and numerous of
 >  > Junior Parker's Sun recordings to name just
 a
 >  few.   From what I've read,
 >  > Hendrix's use of the name  'the Blue
 Flames' was
 >  in direct homage to Parker
 >  > and his records.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > I'd also say 'let's not forget the Ravens'
 when it
 >  comes to 'r&b/country
 >  > crossover.'
 >  >
 >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
 >  > Rooster
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 --------------------------------------------
 >  > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
 rising (was:
 >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014, 12:06
 PM
 >  >
 >  >   ----- Original Message
 -----
 >  >  From: eugene hayhoe
 >  >  Sent: 03/17/14 05:53 PM
 >  >  To: 78-L Mail List
 >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
 rising (was:
 >  Escott, was
 >  >  Arnold Covey)
 >  >
 >  >  Country's here, so is Wynonie -
 >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
 >  Penny's
 >  >  Bloodshot EyesFrom a few years after
 their
 >  formation on,
 >  >  King assigned songs they controlled to
 artists
 >  without
 >  >  worrying about the origins of the
 songs (for
 >  financial
 >  >  reasons), which is something Louis
 Jordan had not
 >  been
 >  >  worrying about for years too. But
 there was
 >  rarely much
 >  >  "hillbilly" about the performances by
 the black
 >  artists in
 >  >  those situations during that period
 (as an aside,
 >  imo even
 >  >  Otis Blackwell's conscious attempts to
 sound
 >  somewhat
 >  >  hillbilly about '52 didn't sound all
 that
 >  >  hillbilly).Paralleling Cary's point
 that if a
 >  hillbilly band
 >  >  added a saxophonist, that's a clue
 they were
 >  interested in
 >  >  R&B, when a black band added
 >  hillbilly-associated
 >  >  instrumentation that was a clue they
 were
 >  interested in
 >  >  hillbilly music, e.g. steel guitar on
 Buddy
 >  Lucas's
 >  >  "Undecided" in about '51 -- but that
 approach was
 >  very rare
 >  >  in black music during '45-'49. E.g.
 there were
 >  tons of
 >  >  blacks who rememb
 >  >   ered how to play the fiddle
 as of the
 >  late '40s and the
 >  >  opportunity to do so on R&B
 records was
 >  almost zero, in
 >  >  contrast to greater use of fiddle back
 when Big
 >  Joe Williams
 >  >  began recording and earlier. Roy
 Milton recorded
 >  a nice
 >  >  "Along The Navajo Trail" in actual
 hillbillyish
 >  style
 >  >  (unlike e.g. Wynonie imo) in about
 '47, Specialty
 >  didn't
 >  >  bother to put it out at the
 time.Joseph Scott
 >  > 
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