[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)

[Erwin Kluwer]

Buddy Holly said he was the first

Roy Orbison stated the same as John Lennon...

Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form Elvis then the other way around.."

Somehow I trust the opinions of the above mentioned gentlemen a bit more
then what is thrown around here..




On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> ''The train I ride, 16 couches long...''
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
> Mystery Train, Junior Parker
>
> 'Junior Parker, not particularly marketable to white teen girls in 1950s
> America,' LOL.
>
> As for the musical elements, 'they are all there.'
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:34 AM
>
>  to me rock n roll is almost more
>  informed an attitude then a pure musical
>  style;;
>
>  and there was only ONE who had it ALL together in summer of
>  1954 (the
>  clothes,good looks,  the attitude, the moves, that NEW
>  sound...a band
>  sound  new so cool, streamlined..
>
>  Elvis is man who started it..
>
>
>  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
>  > And then, of course, going back to Sun, there are the
>  numerous pre-Presley
>  > Sun sides that were templates for late '60s
>  'blues/rock' like James
>  > Cotton's Cotton Crop Blues, Wolf's How Many More Years?
>  and numerous of
>  > Junior Parker's Sun recordings to name just a
>  few.   From what I've read,
>  > Hendrix's use of the name  'the Blue Flames' was
>  in direct homage to Parker
>  > and his records.
>  >
>  >
>  > I'd also say 'let's not forget the Ravens' when it
>  comes to 'r&b/country
>  > crossover.'
>  >
>  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
>  > Rooster
>  >
>  >
>  > --------------------------------------------
>  > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
>  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
>  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  >  Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014, 12:06 PM
>  >
>  >   ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: eugene hayhoe
>  >  Sent: 03/17/14 05:53 PM
>  >  To: 78-L Mail List
>  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
>  Escott, was
>  >  Arnold Covey)
>  >
>  >  Country's here, so is Wynonie -
>  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
>  Penny's
>  >  Bloodshot EyesFrom a few years after their
>  formation on,
>  >  King assigned songs they controlled to artists
>  without
>  >  worrying about the origins of the songs (for
>  financial
>  >  reasons), which is something Louis Jordan had not
>  been
>  >  worrying about for years too. But there was
>  rarely much
>  >  "hillbilly" about the performances by the black
>  artists in
>  >  those situations during that period (as an aside,
>  imo even
>  >  Otis Blackwell's conscious attempts to sound
>  somewhat
>  >  hillbilly about '52 didn't sound all that
>  >  hillbilly).Paralleling Cary's point that if a
>  hillbilly band
>  >  added a saxophonist, that's a clue they were
>  interested in
>  >  R&B, when a black band added
>  hillbilly-associated
>  >  instrumentation that was a clue they were
>  interested in
>  >  hillbilly music, e.g. steel guitar on Buddy
>  Lucas's
>  >  "Undecided" in about '51 -- but that approach was
>  very rare
>  >  in black music during '45-'49. E.g. there were
>  tons of
>  >  blacks who rememb
>  >   ered how to play the fiddle as of the
>  late '40s and the
>  >  opportunity to do so on R&B records was
>  almost zero, in
>  >  contrast to greater use of fiddle back when Big
>  Joe Williams
>  >  began recording and earlier. Roy Milton recorded
>  a nice
>  >  "Along The Navajo Trail" in actual hillbillyish
>  style
>  >  (unlike e.g. Wynonie imo) in about '47, Specialty
>  didn't
>  >  bother to put it out at the time.Joseph Scott
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