[78-L] Christian question

Mon Dec 16 11:57:46 PST 2013

The ES-150 hit stores in '36. The greatest virtuosos recording jazz electric guitar as of about '38-'39 seem to have been Zeke Campbell and Christian, best I can tell.

Some of the people who recorded on electric guitar before Christian did are Campbell, George Barnes, Lonnie Johnson, Eddie Durham, Bill Broonzy (on a bunch of Sonny Boy Williamson sides including big hits), Bob Symons, and I think the earliest recordings of Les Paul on the radio too. Basically, about half of those people played in a similar style to Christian imo.

I think everybody copied Goodman and Basie, more than fans of people like Shaw care to admit. (Okay, First Herd was "Cotton Tail," so let's say everybody copied Goodman, Basie, and Ellington.)

Joseph Scott
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Goodman's broadcasts always included at least one performance by a small group. This paved the way nationwide recognition -and acceptance- for both Christian and his guitbox. I seriously doubt that Artie Shaw would have used an electric guitar on his Grammercy Five sides if Christian hadn't set the example. Would Jimmy Dorsey have hired Teddy Walters without "Solo Flight" to pave the way? On the non-commercial side, Charlie's virtual residence at Minton's hot house of bop during the last months of his life provided an enduring cachet among hardcore jazz devotees. He was nowhere near the first nor was his basic style all that different from other Southwestern players like Oscar Moore (or Zeke Campbell of the Light Crust Doughboys for that matter). The electric guitar was also "an idea whose time had come." Bands were getting bigger and filling ever larger venues so volume was becoming an issue. BG had auditioned Leonard Ware some 8 months before Christian (Umbrella Man broadcast Jan. 10, 1939.) He used George Rose on the 'new' instrument in May. One man's opinion FWIW DJD Visit the Blue Pages: the Encyclopedic Guide to 78 RPM Party Records http://www.hensteeth.com -----Original Message----- From: RJHoltin334578 [mailto:rjh334578 at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 07:06 AM To: '78-L Mail List' Subject: Re: [78-L] Christian question From this it would appear that Charlie's s influence caught on pretty quickly. Any other early guitarists display this influence this early?Sent from my iPod - which explainz the bad typjngOn Dec 15, 2013, at 10:37 PM, david.diehl at hensteeth.com wrote:> That's gotta be it! Many thanks> DJD> Visit the Blue Pages: the Encyclopedic Guide to 78 RPM Party Records> http://www.hensteeth.com> -----Original Message-----> From: David Lennick [mailto:dlennick at sympatico.ca]> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:32 PM> To: '78-L Mail List'> Subject: Re: [78-L] Christian question>> Saith the Lord, and I quote er cut'n'paste:Lester Young And His > Orchestra : Shad Collins (tp) Lester Young (ts) John Collins (el-g) > Nick Fenton (b) Harold "Doc" West (d) Radio broadcast, Station WNYC, > "Manhattan Center", New York, February 15, 1941 Tickle toe > Everybodys EV-3002, Prez Box (It)01/22, Fremeaux & Associes (F) > FA210 [CD], JUTB (It)CD-3019 [CD], Makin' Friends (G) > 74321.14171.2 [CD], Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD47 [CD], Music > Memoria (F)7243.8.39346.2.1 [CD], RCA (Eu)2114171-2 [CD] Taxi > war dance Everybodys EV-3002, Prez Box (It)01/22, Fremeaux & > Associes (F)FA210 [CD], JUTB (It)CD-3019 [CD], Masters of Jazz (F) > MJCD47 [CD], Music Memoria (F)7243.8.39346.2.1 [CD]Note: > Everybody's EV-3002 titled "Historical Prez - Lester Young 1940-44"; > rest of LP by Count Basie, April/May, 1944.Pres Box (It)01/22 titled > "Lester Young"; see flwg sessions to March 11, 1959 for remainder of > this 22 LP box set (includes a bonus EP).RCA (Eu)2114171-2 [CD] > titled "Jazz Gallery : Lester Young, Vo> l. 1 (1936-46)"; see various flwg sessions to c. later March or > early April 1946 for more titles; rest of this 2 CD set by > others.Fremeaux & Associes (F)FA210 [CD] titled "The Quintessence > (1936-43)"; see July 15, 1942 & December 28, 1943 for more titles; > rest of CD by others.Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD47 [CD] titled "Lester > Young, Vol. 2, 1939-1942 - The Complementary Wor ks"; see flwg 2 > sessions for more titles; rest of CD by others.JUTB (Jazz Up Top > Box) (It)CD-3019 [CD] titled "Pres Box, Volume 1"; see various flwg > sessions to March 11, 1959 for further titles from this 16 CD set > (numbered from JUTB (It)CD-3019 [CD], Volume 1 to JUTB (It)CD-3034 > [CD], Volume 16).Both above titles also on Proper (E)PROPERBOX8 [CD] > titled "The Lester Young Story"; see various flwg sessions to June > 28, 1949 for more titles; rest of this 4 CD set by others.Both above > titles also on Sound Hills (Jap)SSCD-8035/50 [CD] titled "Lester > Young - Live and Private Recordings in Chronological Order"; see v> arious flwg sessions to March 11, 1959 for further titles; rest of > this 16 CD set by others.dlOn 12/15/2013 11:29 PM, david.diehl at hensteeth.com > wrote:> Nothing to do with the season but since I no longer > subscribe to Lord ;-)...> I have a couple of sound files labeled > "Lester Young and his band": titles are Tickle Toe and Taxi War > Dance bu t they're not the full Basie crew. Clearly live performances > with the same ambience as the "From Spiritiuals to Swing" concerts > and the guitarist sounds like Charlie Christian. 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