[78-L] very high price for a Berliner

[Stephan Puille]

Hallo Kristjan,
I changed my opinion from 2009 to a certain degree. By the way, Berliner 241 was a shellac compound disc too. Since my comment, I paid more attention to shellac discs with recordings from 1894 and 1895, and saw several offered, while US hard rubber pressings almost never showed up.
In short, I wouldn't pay that much for a shellac re-pressing of an 1894 recording. Instead, I would wait for a hard rubber first pressing. 

Stephan 

> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:50 +0200
> From: saag at telia.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] very high price for a Berliner
> 
> A few years ago a shellac copy of no. 241 was sold for 1,000 dollars on 
> e-bay (also a cornet duet), and there was a discussion on
> http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
> about the price.
> Your explanation then, Stephan, for the high price (although lower than 
> for a hard rubber copy) was that a shellac pressing from an original 
> zinc master or an old stamper was rare:
> "At the same time it is an oddity - I have never seen or heard of a 
> shellac compound pressing of an 1894 Berliner recording. This explains 
> the far above average price towards contemporary (c. 1897) pressings."
> This changes the picture a bit: maybe the buyer of no 242wasn't deceived 
> after all?
> Is there new information available about those discssince youwrote your 
> comment in 2009(under your Starkton alias)? Perhaps the 241 was a hard 
> rubber copy?
> Kristjan
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-03 14:16, Stephan Puille wrote:
> > Obviously, some buyers only saw the incised recording year of Berliner 242 Z and 249 Z, 1894, ignoring the fact that both are "modern" shellac compound pressings. These cornet duet recordings are still listed in my April 1897 Berliner record catalogue. Due to its long catalogue life they aren't much rarer than 1896 or 1897 recordings.
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:17:10 +0200
> >> From: ekluwer at gmail.com
> >> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> >> Subject: Re: [78-L] very high price for a Berliner
> >>
> >> Yes,
> >>
> >> First regular berliner  production was from fall 1894 (aside from the toy 5
> >> inch Berliners made from 1899-1892)... very limited market in 1894 with
> >> few made and even less left over.... Not unusual for these to go high up in
> >> auctions...
> >>
> >> Erwin
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com <
> >> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I saw on you-know-where-bay an 1894 Berliner.
> >>>
> >>> 21 bids later, it solde for $1880.
> >>>
> >>> I am wondering why this Berliner sold for so much more than the average
> >>> Berliner.
> >>>
> >>> Is it becasue it is a little earlier than others? 1894 is the earliest
> >>> date I have ever seen for a 7".
> >>> --
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