[78-L] very high price for a Berliner

[Erwin Kluwer]

when referring to 1894 issues I meant indeed teh early rubber pressings...


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Stephan Puille <berlin40 at msn.com> wrote:

> Hallo Kristjan,
> I changed my opinion from 2009 to a certain degree. By the way, Berliner
> 241 was a shellac compound disc too. Since my comment, I paid more
> attention to shellac discs with recordings from 1894 and 1895, and saw
> several offered, while US hard rubber pressings almost never showed up.
> In short, I wouldn't pay that much for a shellac re-pressing of an 1894
> recording. Instead, I would wait for a hard rubber first pressing.
>
> Stephan
>
> > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:50 +0200
> > From: saag at telia.com
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] very high price for a Berliner
> >
> > A few years ago a shellac copy of no. 241 was sold for 1,000 dollars on
> > e-bay (also a cornet duet), and there was a discussion on
> > http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
> > about the price.
> > Your explanation then, Stephan, for the high price (although lower than
> > for a hard rubber copy) was that a shellac pressing from an original
> > zinc master or an old stamper was rare:
> > "At the same time it is an oddity - I have never seen or heard of a
> > shellac compound pressing of an 1894 Berliner recording. This explains
> > the far above average price towards contemporary (c. 1897) pressings."
> > This changes the picture a bit: maybe the buyer of no 242wasn't deceived
> > after all?
> > Is there new information available about those discssince youwrote your
> > comment in 2009(under your Starkton alias)? Perhaps the 241 was a hard
> > rubber copy?
> > Kristjan
> >
> >
> > On 2013-06-03 14:16, Stephan Puille wrote:
> > > Obviously, some buyers only saw the incised recording year of Berliner
> 242 Z and 249 Z, 1894, ignoring the fact that both are "modern" shellac
> compound pressings. These cornet duet recordings are still listed in my
> April 1897 Berliner record catalogue. Due to its long catalogue life they
> aren't much rarer than 1896 or 1897 recordings.
> > >
> > > Stephan
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:17:10 +0200
> > >> From: ekluwer at gmail.com
> > >> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] very high price for a Berliner
> > >>
> > >> Yes,
> > >>
> > >> First regular berliner  production was from fall 1894 (aside from the
> toy 5
> > >> inch Berliners made from 1899-1892)... very limited market in 1894
> with
> > >> few made and even less left over.... Not unusual for these to go high
> up in
> > >> auctions...
> > >>
> > >> Erwin
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com <
> > >> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I saw on you-know-where-bay an 1894 Berliner.
> > >>>
> > >>> 21 bids later, it solde for $1880.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am wondering why this Berliner sold for so much more than the
> average
> > >>> Berliner.
> > >>>
> > >>> Is it becasue it is a little earlier than others? 1894 is the
> earliest
> > >>> date I have ever seen for a 7".
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