[78-L] California Ramblers Triangle 11215

[Malcolm Rockwell]

Oops, forgot to include the Plaza matrix numbers. "Dixie" is mx  5101 
and "Red Head" is mx 5163 both of which are by Lanin, according to the 
Plaza-ARC discography.
Malcolm

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On 5/30/2013 6:48 AM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
> Your "matrix" numbers are actually the release number for Olympic. 
> Whenever I see -A/-B designations attached to the same "matrix" number 
> pressed in the runouts I immediately suspect they're actually issue 
> numbers for another label, not the true matrices.
> I did some digging and believe both sides may have come from very 
> early recordings by Regal, via Plaza, and the artist on the -A side 
> may be Sam Lanin and the -B side by Arthur Fields with a not yet 
> identified backing band.
> The Olympic, Regal, Plaza, Paramount connections are somewhat murky 
> and complicated so I may be wrong with all of this.
> I'd ask Allan Sutton at Mainspring Press. He may have a truer sighting 
> on this one.
> Malcolm
>
> PS - ADB shows this coupling to have been released on Olympic, Black 
> Swan, Broadway, Mac-Levin, Melody, Puritan, Paramount and Triangle 
> (with the "Red Head" side additionally issued on Claxtonola, Famous, 
> Grey Gull, Harmograph and National). Unfortunately Bernard & Shirley 
> show 1423 A/B as the matrix numbers, too, thus adding to the 
> misinformation. However, they do disclaim it in their Note following 
> the entries. M
>
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>
> On 5/30/2013 5:36 AM, Glenn Longwell wrote:
>> I picked up the following record recently.
>> Triangle 11215-A  That Red Head Gal by California Ramblers, mx 
>> 1423-A            11215-B  You Said Something When You Said Dixie by 
>> California Ramblers, mx 1423-B
>> I have an older version of Rust's Jazz and Dance Band books and this 
>> is not listed.  The online Red Hot Jazz listing also doesn't have it 
>> and Ty's listing is missing this catalog number.  With those matrix 
>> numbers it might have also been an Olympic release.  It has the same 
>> style of matrix numbers as Triangle 11268 (mx's 1439-A and 1439-B) 
>> which is the same recordings as Olympic 1439 (Original Indiana 
>> Syncopators on Olympic and Manhattan Imperial Orchestra on 
>> Triangle).  Or is that a wrong assumption?
>> I was hoping for a date of recording and whether anyone also has 
>> Olympic 1432 to compare against to see if it's the same recordings 
>> and, if so, whether it's listed as California Ramblers there.
>> I have also seen that Red Head Gal is also on Paramount 20222-A by 
>> California Ramblers with the same matrix number but is paired with 
>> Aunt Hagar's Blues by Lanin's Southern Serenaders.  Same on Puritan 
>> 11222.
>> Thanks,
>> Glenn
>>
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