[78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?

[David Weiner]

There'a a Gershwin solo overlaid with orchestra on the GERSHWIN:KING OF
RHYTHM Columbia 78, done in the UK.

Dave Weiner

On 2/28/13 2:37 PM, "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hands up, anyone who can come up with an example of Gershwin with an
>orchestra 
>overdub (underdub, really) and I'm not talking about the Rhapsody.
>
>dl
>
>On 2/28/2013 2:34 PM, Damian's 78s wrote:
>> You can hear Caro nome and Una voce poco fa on the Tetrazzini page of my
>> website:
>> 
>>http://music.damians78s.co.uk/artists/vocalists-and-choirs/sopranos/t-z/l
>>uisa-tetrazzini/
>>
>> Damian Rogan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ryan Wolfe
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:06 PM
>> To: 78-L Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>
>> I just remembered that Luisa Tetrazzini had some of her records
>>re-dubbed
>> with new orchestra.    I've never heard them.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ryan Wolfe<nextset4 at yahoo.com>
>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>
>> The William R. Moran discography lists 42 sides that were attempted, 18
>>of
>> which were left unissued in 78 RPM.
>>
>> I've also understood that in the U.S. the non-dubbed originals were
>> completely withdrawn from the Victor catalog until 1946 or something?
>>
>> I know of no other artists that were given this treatment.
>>
>> Some of the dubbed Caruso's (like the 1917 M'Appari) are not terrible,
>>some
>> (like A Granada) are.   The orchestra doesn't even stay in time with
>>Caruso.
>> The effect of all of them seems to make Caruso's voice sound too small
>>in
>> relation to the orchestra.
>>
>> In case anyone is unaware,  this was done again modern style for a
>>couple of
>> CD's "Caruso 2000"  and another thing.   The 1930's dubbings are better
>>than
>> those.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com"<neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>
>> I did not know there were so many.
>>
>> Were there other artists who were given this same treatment in the early
>> electrical days, or was Mr. C. the sole recipient of this honor?
>>
>> joe salerno
>>
>> On 2/28/2013 12:14 AM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>>
>>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>>> Some were definitely done by HMV, like O Paradiso/Flower Song
>>>> (Victor 14234). Didn't Pearl once do a set of all the dubbed
>>>>versions? dl
>>>
>>> I have the Pearl set here (GEMM CDS 9030) and there were 36 masters in
>>> all, 11 done in Camden and 25 in England.  All but three of these were
>>> issued, most by BOTH Victor and HMV except for six that were on HMV
>>> only.  There were more of these than most people imagined.
>>>
>>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/2013 7:44 PM, Michael Shoshani wrote:
>>>> I was always under the impression that the Caruso re-recordings with
>>>>the
>>>> orchestral overdubs were made by Victor, either in Camden or New York.
>>>>
>>>> British Pathe, however, has a small snippet of one of their newsreels
>>>> that shows the process being carried out in London, presumably at
>>>>Abbey
>>>> Road since the film is from 1932.
>>>>
>>>> The unidentified "master of ceremonies" presents an original acoustic
>>>> version on an open-horn gramophone, then its electrically-overdubbed
>>>> version. Curiously, the acoustic version is a later pressing to which
>>>> the eccentric groove had been added.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.britishpathe.com/video/voice-grafting/query/hmv
>>>>
>>>> Michael Shoshani
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