[78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?

[David Lennick]

That's the one. Larry Adler is there as well.

dl

On 3/2/2013 1:49 AM, David Weiner wrote:
> There'a a Gershwin solo overlaid with orchestra on the GERSHWIN:KING OF
> RHYTHM Columbia 78, done in the UK.
>
> Dave Weiner
>
> On 2/28/13 2:37 PM, "David Lennick"<dlennick at sympatico.ca>  wrote:
>
>> Hands up, anyone who can come up with an example of Gershwin with an
>> orchestra
>> overdub (underdub, really) and I'm not talking about the Rhapsody.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 2/28/2013 2:34 PM, Damian's 78s wrote:
>>> You can hear Caro nome and Una voce poco fa on the Tetrazzini page of my
>>> website:
>>>
>>> http://music.damians78s.co.uk/artists/vocalists-and-choirs/sopranos/t-z/l
>>> uisa-tetrazzini/
>>>
>>> Damian Rogan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ryan Wolfe
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:06 PM
>>> To: 78-L Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>>
>>> I just remembered that Luisa Tetrazzini had some of her records
>>> re-dubbed
>>> with new orchestra.    I've never heard them.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ryan Wolfe<nextset4 at yahoo.com>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>>
>>> The William R. Moran discography lists 42 sides that were attempted, 18
>>> of
>>> which were left unissued in 78 RPM.
>>>
>>> I've also understood that in the U.S. the non-dubbed originals were
>>> completely withdrawn from the Victor catalog until 1946 or something?
>>>
>>> I know of no other artists that were given this treatment.
>>>
>>> Some of the dubbed Caruso's (like the 1917 M'Appari) are not terrible,
>>> some
>>> (like A Granada) are.   The orchestra doesn't even stay in time with
>>> Caruso.
>>> The effect of all of them seems to make Caruso's voice sound too small
>>> in
>>> relation to the orchestra.
>>>
>>> In case anyone is unaware,  this was done again modern style for a
>>> couple of
>>> CD's "Caruso 2000"  and another thing.   The 1930's dubbings are better
>>> than
>>> those.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com"<neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
>>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?
>>>
>>> I did not know there were so many.
>>>
>>> Were there other artists who were given this same treatment in the early
>>> electrical days, or was Mr. C. the sole recipient of this honor?
>>>
>>> joe salerno
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 12:14 AM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>>>> Some were definitely done by HMV, like O Paradiso/Flower Song
>>>>> (Victor 14234). Didn't Pearl once do a set of all the dubbed
>>>>> versions? dl
>>>>
>>>> I have the Pearl set here (GEMM CDS 9030) and there were 36 masters in
>>>> all, 11 done in Camden and 25 in England.  All but three of these were
>>>> issued, most by BOTH Victor and HMV except for six that were on HMV
>>>> only.  There were more of these than most people imagined.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/27/2013 7:44 PM, Michael Shoshani wrote:
>>>>> I was always under the impression that the Caruso re-recordings with
>>>>> the
>>>>> orchestral overdubs were made by Victor, either in Camden or New York.
>>>>>
>>>>> British Pathe, however, has a small snippet of one of their newsreels
>>>>> that shows the process being carried out in London, presumably at
>>>>> Abbey
>>>>> Road since the film is from 1932.
>>>>>
>>>>> The unidentified "master of ceremonies" presents an original acoustic
>>>>> version on an open-horn gramophone, then its electrically-overdubbed
>>>>> version. Curiously, the acoustic version is a later pressing to which
>>>>> the eccentric groove had been added.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.britishpathe.com/video/voice-grafting/query/hmv
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Shoshani
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