[78-L] Where were the dubbed Caruso records made?

[David Lennick]

Hands up, anyone who can come up with an example of Gershwin with an orchestra 
overdub (underdub, really) and I'm not talking about the Rhapsody.

dl

On 2/28/2013 2:34 PM, Damian's 78s wrote:
> You can hear Caro nome and Una voce poco fa on the Tetrazzini page of my
> website:
> http://music.damians78s.co.uk/artists/vocalists-and-choirs/sopranos/t-z/luisa-tetrazzini/
>
> Damian Rogan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Wolfe
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:06 PM
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>
> I just remembered that Luisa Tetrazzini had some of her records re-dubbed
> with new orchestra.    I've never heard them.
>
>
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>
> The William R. Moran discography lists 42 sides that were attempted, 18 of
> which were left unissued in 78 RPM.
>
> I've also understood that in the U.S. the non-dubbed originals were
> completely withdrawn from the Victor catalog until 1946 or something?
>
> I know of no other artists that were given this treatment.
>
> Some of the dubbed Caruso's (like the 1917 M'Appari) are not terrible, some
> (like A Granada) are.   The orchestra doesn't even stay in time with Caruso.
> The effect of all of them seems to make Caruso's voice sound too small in
> relation to the orchestra.
>
> In case anyone is unaware,  this was done again modern style for a couple of
> CD's "Caruso 2000"  and another thing.   The 1930's dubbings are better than
> those.
>
>
>
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>
> I did not know there were so many.
>
> Were there other artists who were given this same treatment in the early
> electrical days, or was Mr. C. the sole recipient of this honor?
>
> joe salerno
>
> On 2/28/2013 12:14 AM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>
>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>> Some were definitely done by HMV, like O Paradiso/Flower Song
>>> (Victor 14234). Didn't Pearl once do a set of all the dubbed versions? dl
>>
>> I have the Pearl set here (GEMM CDS 9030) and there were 36 masters in
>> all, 11 done in Camden and 25 in England.  All but three of these were
>> issued, most by BOTH Victor and HMV except for six that were on HMV
>> only.  There were more of these than most people imagined.
>>
>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/2013 7:44 PM, Michael Shoshani wrote:
>>> I was always under the impression that the Caruso re-recordings with the
>>> orchestral overdubs were made by Victor, either in Camden or New York.
>>>
>>> British Pathe, however, has a small snippet of one of their newsreels
>>> that shows the process being carried out in London, presumably at Abbey
>>> Road since the film is from 1932.
>>>
>>> The unidentified "master of ceremonies" presents an original acoustic
>>> version on an open-horn gramophone, then its electrically-overdubbed
>>> version. Curiously, the acoustic version is a later pressing to which
>>> the eccentric groove had been added.
>>>
>>> http://www.britishpathe.com/video/voice-grafting/query/hmv
>>>
>>> Michael Shoshani