[78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label

Thu Nov 1 16:13:35 PDT 2012

I thought the Cheerio numbers were provided, but maybe not. Here are the ones I 
noted, and the ones on the first disc were not shown (or maybe buried under the 
labels). Very boring stuff, by the way, historical radio or no. I was happy to 
be rid of them.

CHEERIO'S ROYCROFT LIVING TONE RECORDS

1.  SIDE BY SIDE (Woods)..THE GILBERTS (3:07)
2.  COMPANIONSHIP (Campbell)..CHEERIO; TOGETHER WE TWO (Berlin)..THE GILBERTS 
(3:02)
     ROYCROFT 175, no mats. visible
3.  MOTHER GOOSE PARADE (Breau)..THE GILBERTS (2:52)
4.  THE CROAKER (Anonymous)..CHEERIO & GIL; THE BULLFROG AND THE COON 
(Feist)..THE GILBERTS (2:48)
     ROYCROFT 176, mx 9182-3, 9194-6
5.  WITS END CORNER (Fawcett)..CHEERIO; O REST IN THE LORD (Mendelssohn)..GERRY 
RIEGGER (3:17)
6.  THE ANGELUS (Harte)..CHEERIO & ASSOCIATES (2:53)
     ROYCROFT 177, mx 9178-3, 9193-7
7.  IF ANY LITTLE WORD OF MINE (Behrend); CHARITY (MacDermid)..GERRY RIEGGER (2:52)
8.  A HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER (Riley)..CHEERIO; FRIEND O' MINE (Sanderson)..RUSS 
GILBERT (2:50)
     ROYCROFT 178, mx 9192-4, 9184-3
9.  THE BUTTERFLY SHIP (Frazier)..CHEERIO; PLAY MAKE-BELIEVE (Bond)..RUSS 
GILBERT (2:58)
10. FAIRIES (Wise)..LOVENA GILBERT (2:58)
     ROYCROFT 179, mx 9243-3, 9177-2
11. THE OLD HOME (Cawein)..CHEERIO; LITTLE GREY HOME IN THE WEST (Lohr)..PAT 
KELLY (2:59)
12. A SONG OF TOMORROW (Groffin)..CHEERIO; KEEP ON HOPIN' (Heron-Maxwell)..RUSS 
GILBERT (2:44)
     ROYCROFT 180, mx 9241-1, 9242-2

dl

On 11/1/2012 6:51 PM, Thomas Stern wrote:
>
> Can anyone provide a date for the Kerby-Niles Roycroft 172 recording - the matrix numbers are 3555/3556  ???????????????
>
> ALSO for the CHEERIO album (only 1 matrix is known so far 9178-3) and for
> the Otakar Marak which may or may not be Roycroft - 5252 / 5267.
>
> Thanks, Thomas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Images shmimages, I have the English Singers album two and a half times (i.e. a
> couple of sets in varying stages of completeness plus several loose discs, and
> photocopies of the labels of some I was missing courtesy of the Belfer Lab).
> The odd thing about that set of discs is that it was issued with some different
> couplings, and some alternate takes have the lyrics spoken before the group
> sings them. Six of the twelve discs were packaged in a smaller album as a
> Christmas set, and all of the song arrangements by Vaughan Williams were issued
> in a Pearl CD set of VW's music. I've been thinking of listing all of these on
> eBay.
>
> If anyone knows which issue of Record Research has a feature on this label,
> I'll see what other information there is.
>
> dl
>
> On 10/28/2012 11:03 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
>> On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
>> This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
>> Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
>> Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
>> Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
>> ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
>> I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.
>>
>> Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
>> Here is a working list of mxs with dates:
>>
>> Cameo mxs
>> 2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
>> 2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
>> -- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
>> 2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
>> -- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
>> 2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
>> 2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
>> -->   Prob. also including 2798.
>> 2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
>> -->   2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
>> 2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
>> - 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
>> 2804-06 ??
>> 2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>>
>>>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??
>>
>> This label was produced by THE ROYCROFTERS (Elbert Hubbard, arts-crafts movement),
>> East Aurora, NY in the late 1920's - dates variously given as 1927-1930, some up to 1933.
>> Supposedly pressed by CAMEO (NYC), distributed by Wm.H.Wise&   Co.
>> Anyone have information about WHERE they were recorded.
>>
>> Performers primarily THE ENGLISH SINGERS, but also Marion Kerby&   John Jacob Niles,
>> Rudolph Gruen, The Gilberts, Gerry Riegger.
>> Catalog numbers I am aware of range from 151 - 180
>> .
>> Are there any CATALOGS?  REVIEWS?  ADVERTISEMENTS? etc. ????
>> Does anyone have the CD: THE ENGLISH SINGERS OF LONDON - Eclectra 2039 ??
>>     Are these all from Roycroft, HMV or both??
>>     Do the annotations contain any matrix numbers for the Roycroft recordings??
>>
>> ROYCROFT fascinates me.  I would like to see a complete discography, and any references to these
>> recordings - Perhaps those on this list can make that happen?
>> Thomas.
>> ---
>> I sold a Rudolph Gruen disc a couple of months ago as well as the Cheerio album
>> (the Gilberts are in it), and I have 2 or 3 incomplete sets of The English
>> Singers, with some variant sides. I first found out about this label while
>> scanning Jim Hadfield's Record Research magazines (and photocopying several of
>> them..I've since acquired a long run of them). The discs are all recorded and
>> pressed by Cameo and the matrix numbers fit with that label. Lousy surfaces.
>> Everything I've seen seems to be from about 1929 but they were certainly
>> available after that date since the English Singers are listed in the 1931
>> Gramophone Shop catalogue.
>> dl
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