[78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label

[Han Enderman]

The "exact" Cameo dates for dance bands in these years (28/29) in Ty's ODP 
seem to have been taken from Rust's ADBD, where they are given as "circa"
(or both are based on the same sources).

9031 VINCENT RICHARDS & HIS ORCH Carolina Moon 3548 ROM 835 108548 12/20/1928
9036 BROADWAY BROADCASTERS GYPSY (vWS) 3549 ROM 840 108549 12/21/1928
9033 BOB HARING & HIS ORCH ALL BY YOURSELF IN THE MOONLIGHT 3557 ROM 837 108562 12/28/1928

So the date for Cameo mxs 3555/56 must be between ca. 21 Dec and 28 Dec 1928.
For a "state-of-the-art" date one should consult ADBORAF.

However, the date for Ozie Ware (= Ozie McPherson) with Ellingtom, for mxs 3532/33 is given 
in jazz/blues dgs as c. Jan 1929.
Carson Robison's mxs 3526/27 on Cam 9019/14 are c. mid Dec 1928 in CMR.

han enderman
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>>> Can anyone provide a date for the Kerby-Niles Roycroft 172 recording - the matrix numbers are 3555/3556  ???????????????

ALSO for the CHEERIO album (only 1 matrix is known so far 9178-3) and for
the Otakar Marak which may or may not be Roycroft - 5252 / 5267.

Thanks, Thomas.

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Images shmimages, I have the English Singers album two and a half times (i.e. a 
couple of sets in varying stages of completeness plus several loose discs, and 
photocopies of the labels of some I was missing courtesy of the Belfer Lab). 
The odd thing about that set of discs is that it was issued with some different 
couplings, and some alternate takes have the lyrics spoken before the group 
sings them. Six of the twelve discs were packaged in a smaller album as a 
Christmas set, and all of the song arrangements by Vaughan Williams were issued 
in a Pearl CD set of VW's music. I've been thinking of listing all of these on 
eBay.

If anyone knows which issue of Record Research has a feature on this label, 
I'll see what other information there is.

dl

On 10/28/2012 11:03 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
> On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
> This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
> Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
> Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
> Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
> ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
> I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.
>
> Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
> Here is a working list of mxs with dates:
>
> Cameo mxs
> 2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
> 2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
> -- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
> -- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
> 2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
> -- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
> 2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
> -- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
> 2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
> -->  Prob. also including 2798.
> 2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
> -->  2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
> 2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
> - 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
> 2804-06 ??
> 2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)
>
> han enderman
> ===
>
>>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??
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