[78-L] ROYCROFT label

David Lennick dlennick at sympatico.ca
Tue Oct 30 16:14:12 PDT 2012 

Filling in a couple of holes, from the George Blacker articles:

163A: BOAT SONG (Moses Ware) 2729a
163B: JOY OF THE MORNING (Markham-Ware) 2926B
--Walter Mills, lyric baritone, piano acc. by the composer (presumably Mr. Ware)

165A: STARS (Kilmer-Ware) 3089a
165B: MOON MYSTERY (Preston-Ware) + THE FRIEND OF YOU (Swain-Ware) 3097c
--Walter Mills as above

169A: EVENING (Griffith-Wise) 2925D
169B: GOD IS HERE (Aaron-Wise) 3098B
--Irving Marston Jackson, baritone, piano acc. by the composer (presumably Mr. 
Wise)

dl

On 10/30/2012 5:45 PM, Thomas Stern wrote:
> Thanks Han!!
>
> Anyone else have data ???
>
> Does anyone know if a catalog of Roycroft recordings was published, or if the Roycrofters published adverts for
> the recordings in any of their publications ??
>
> Best wishes, Thomas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of Han Enderman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:59 PM
> To: 78-L
> Subject: [78-L] ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Roycroft 173 is:
> THE HUDSON SINGERS: My Ole Banjo (Wise-Baer) / Water Boy.
>
> han enderman
> ===
>>>>
> Below is a list of ROYCROFT releases gathered from online sources.
> Many THANKS to David Lennick for numerous updates and corrections from the ENGLISH SINGERS series.
>
> Anyone else with copies of any ROYCROFT, please provide updates, corrections, additions.
>
> NOTE: NO INFORMATION for 163(2nd side)  164  165(2nd side)  166 167  168  169  173
>    possibly 163/165 are misreadings of 3/5 - anyone have any of these discs???
>
> NOTHING below 151, above 180
>
> There is a catalog entry for OTAKAR MARAK (a Czech tenor) credited to ROYCROFT, but no catalog number.
> Does anyone know if this is correct, or an error in specifying the label ???  MARAK recorded for
> Gramophone, Parlophone, Victor, Columbia(US), Ultraphon (1930).  Court Opera issued an LP, which I do not have - does
> it's annotations give any information about Roycroft ???
>
> THANKS!
> Best wishes, Thomas
>
>
> 		151-162  ENGLISH SINGERS album w 32pp booklet	
> 		xxx-xxx  ENGLISH SINGERS album - Christmas related selections	
> 151	2753	SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151	2754	THE TURTLE DOVE(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151	3445	SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152	2762	IN GOING TO MY NAKED BED(Richard Edwards)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152	2806	JUST AS THE TIDE WAS FLOWING (arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153	2763	THREE FAIRIES (Henry Purcell)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153	2767	SILVER SWAN(Orlando Gibbons)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2770	NOW IS THE MONTH OF MAYING(Thomas Morley)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2771	BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2771F	BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	2755	WASSAIL SONG(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	3028	SINCE FIRST I SAW YOUR FACE(Thomas Ford)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	3463	THE PIPER O'DUNDEE	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	2801	DOWN IN YON FOREST(arr.Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3007	ALL CREATURES ARE NOW MERRY-MINDED(John Bennet)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3444	HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3444C	HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3009	HOLLY AND THE IVY(Rutland Broughton)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3012A	CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3012C	CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 		158 matrix hard to read 3010 or 3070 ???	
> 158	3010	WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3070	WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3077	HARK ALL YE LOVELY SAINTS	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3464C	AN ACRE OF LAND(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	2805	A FARMER'S SON(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	3443	SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	3443C	SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160	3008	CA' THE YOWES (Robert Burns - arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160	3022	THOUGH AMARYLLIS DANCE IN GREEN(William Byrd)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3023	O CHRIST WHO ART THE LIGHT(William Byrd)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3465	IN DULCI JUBILO(R.I. Pearsall)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3027	HOSANNA TO THE SON OF DAVID	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162	2802	DARK-EYED SAILOR(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162	3025	IT'S OF A LAWYER FINE AND GAY(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 163	2729	BOAT SONG(Harriet Ware; Moses)	WALTER MILLS
> 163		???	
> 164		???	
> 164		???	
> 165	3089	STARS(Kilmer-Ware)	WALTER MILLS
> 165	3097	???	
> 166		???	
> 166		???	
> 167		???	
> 167		???	
> 168		???	
> 168		???	
> 169		???	
> 169		???	
> 170		JUBA DANCE(Nathaniel Dett)	RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 170		DANSE NEGRE Op.58, No.5 (Cyril Scott)	RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3445	BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3446	BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3552	FOUNTAIN OF THE ACQUA PAOLA(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 172	3555	JUST LIKE A TREE PLANTED BY THE WATER	MARION KERBY&  JOHN JACOB NILES
> 172	3446	HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS	MARION KERBY&  JOHN JACOB NILES
> 173		???	
> 173		???	
> 174	3642	EVENIN'(Neil Moret)	HUDSON SINGERS
> 174	3043	I'M A WAND'RIN(Samuel Richards Gaines)	HUDSON SINGERS
> 		175-180 CHEERIO album	
> 175		SIDE BY SIDE/WOODS	GILBERTS
> 175		COMPANIONSHIP/TOGETHER WE TWO  Berlin	GILBERTS
> 176		THE CROAKER/THE BULLFROG AND THE COON  Anon; Feist	GILBERTS-Cheerio and Gil
> 176		MOTHER GOOSE PARADE  Breau	GILBERTS
> 177	9178-3	WIT'S END CORNER/O REST IN THE LORD Fawcett; Mendelssohn	CHEERIO and Associates; Gerry Riegger
> 177		THE ANGELUS(Harte)	CHEERIO and Associates
> 178		A HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER/FRIEND O' MINE  Riley; Sanderson	CHARITY CHEERIO RUSS Gilbert
> 178		IF ANY LITTLE WORD OF MINE/CHARITY  Behrend;; MacDermid	GERRY RIEGGER
> 179		FAIRIES  Wise	LOVINA GILBERT
> 179		BUTTERFLY SHIP/PLAY MAKE-BELIEVE  Frazier-Bond	CHEERIE  RUSS GILBERT
> 180		THE OLD HOME/LITTLE GREY HOME IN THE WEST  Cawien; Lhr	CHEERIO; PAT KELLY
> 180		A SONG OF TOMORROW/KEEP ON HOPIN' Grofflin; Heron-Maxwell	CHEERIO; RUSS GILBERT
> 			
> 			
> 	5252	Jak Monzo Veriti Z Opery Prodana Nevesta  - Smetany	OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
> 	5267	Pisen Chapelona Z Opery Postillon Z Lenjumeau - Marak	OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:30 AM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Images shmimages, I have the English Singers album two and a half times (i.e. a
> couple of sets in varying stages of completeness plus several loose discs, and
> photocopies of the labels of some I was missing courtesy of the Belfer Lab).
> The odd thing about that set of discs is that it was issued with some different
> couplings, and some alternate takes have the lyrics spoken before the group
> sings them. Six of the twelve discs were packaged in a smaller album as a
> Christmas set, and all of the song arrangements by Vaughan Williams were issued
> in a Pearl CD set of VW's music. I've been thinking of listing all of these on
> eBay.
>
> If anyone knows which issue of Record Research has a feature on this label,
> I'll see what other information there is.
>
> dl
>
> On 10/28/2012 11:03 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
>> On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
>> This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
>> Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
>> Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
>> Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
>> ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
>> I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.
>>
>> Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
>> Here is a working list of mxs with dates:
>>
>> Cameo mxs
>> 2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
>> 2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
>> -- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
>> 2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ADBD)
>> -- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ODP)
>> 2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
>> 2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
>> -->   Prob. also including 2798.
>> 2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
>> -->   2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
>> 2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
>> - 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
>> 2804-06 ??
>> 2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>>
>>>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??
>>
>> This label was produced by THE ROYCROFTERS (Elbert Hubbard, arts-crafts movement),
>> East Aurora, NY in the late 1920's - dates variously given as 1927-1930, some up to 1933.
>> Supposedly pressed by CAMEO (NYC), distributed by Wm.H.Wise&   Co.
>> Anyone have information about WHERE they were recorded.
>>
>> Performers primarily THE ENGLISH SINGERS, but also Marion Kerby&   John Jacob Niles,
>> Rudolph Gruen, The Gilberts, Gerry Riegger.
>> Catalog numbers I am aware of range from 151 - 180
>> .
>> Are there any CATALOGS?  REVIEWS?  ADVERTISEMENTS? etc. ????
>> Does anyone have the CD: THE ENGLISH SINGERS OF LONDON - Eclectra 2039 ??
>>     Are these all from Roycroft, HMV or both??
>>     Do the annotations contain any matrix numbers for the Roycroft recordings??
>>
>> ROYCROFT fascinates me.  I would like to see a complete discography, and any references to these
>> recordings - Perhaps those on this list can make that happen?
>> Thomas.
>> ---
>> I sold a Rudolph Gruen disc a couple of months ago as well as the Cheerio album
>> (the Gilberts are in it), and I have 2 or 3 incomplete sets of The English
>> Singers, with some variant sides. I first found out about this label while
>> scanning Jim Hadfield's Record Research magazines (and photocopying several of
>> them..I've since acquired a long run of them). The discs are all recorded and
>> pressed by Cameo and the matrix numbers fit with that label. Lousy surfaces.
>> Everything I've seen seems to be from about 1929 but they were certainly
>> available after that date since the English Singers are listed in the 1931
>> Gramophone Shop catalogue.
>> dl
>> <<<
> ===
>>>>
> I don't know if this is the same recording, but the aria from The Bartered
> Bride (Prodana Nevesta) by Otakar Marak is also on a European Columbia issue,
> OC 57. The other side should be from Adam's Le Postillon de Longjumeau unless
> someone named Marak wrote an opera with the same name.
>
> The reason for multiple titles on some of the English Singers sides is that
> they actually recorded more than 24 sides (as well as alternate takes) and I've
> found 3 that have different couplings.
>
> I've also found at least one Roycroft pressing that has an indentation in the
> label, 1/4 inch from the outside, and evidence that these were in print long
> enough to be part of the Carnegie Collections. Would ARC have continued
> pressing them?
>
> dl
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