[78-L] ROYCROFT label

Tue Oct 30 15:08:18 PDT 2012

Okay, folks..quite a bit on Roycroft in 4 issues of Record Research, all writ 
up by George Blacker. 117 and 119/20 deal only with the mystery of the 
alternate takes and sides of the English Singers set, but 209/210 and 211/212 
contain graphics, solicitation material, possible unissued masters by the 
group, and info on both sides of 163, 165 and 169, noting that other numbers 
are still untraced. 174 was untraced at that time, for that matter. Nothing 
about our mysterious Czech tenor. Thomas, I'll have to copy these pages and 
mail them to you unless someone can scan them.

dl

On 10/30/2012 5:45 PM, Thomas Stern wrote:
> Thanks Han!!
>
> Anyone else have data ???
>
> Does anyone know if a catalog of Roycroft recordings was published, or if the Roycrofters published adverts for
> the recordings in any of their publications ??
>
> Best wishes, Thomas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of Han Enderman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:59 PM
> To: 78-L
> Subject: [78-L] ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Roycroft 173 is:
> THE HUDSON SINGERS: My Ole Banjo (Wise-Baer) / Water Boy.
>
> han enderman
> ===
>>>>
> Below is a list of ROYCROFT releases gathered from online sources.
> Many THANKS to David Lennick for numerous updates and corrections from the ENGLISH SINGERS series.
>
> Anyone else with copies of any ROYCROFT, please provide updates, corrections, additions.
>
> NOTE: NO INFORMATION for 163(2nd side)  164  165(2nd side)  166 167  168  169  173
>    possibly 163/165 are misreadings of 3/5 - anyone have any of these discs???
>
> NOTHING below 151, above 180
>
> There is a catalog entry for OTAKAR MARAK (a Czech tenor) credited to ROYCROFT, but no catalog number.
> Does anyone know if this is correct, or an error in specifying the label ???  MARAK recorded for
> Gramophone, Parlophone, Victor, Columbia(US), Ultraphon (1930).  Court Opera issued an LP, which I do not have - does
> it's annotations give any information about Roycroft ???
>
> THANKS!
> Best wishes, Thomas
>
>
> 		151-162  ENGLISH SINGERS album w 32pp booklet	
> 		xxx-xxx  ENGLISH SINGERS album - Christmas related selections	
> 151	2753	SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151	2754	THE TURTLE DOVE(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151	3445	SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152	2762	IN GOING TO MY NAKED BED(Richard Edwards)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152	2806	JUST AS THE TIDE WAS FLOWING (arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153	2763	THREE FAIRIES (Henry Purcell)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153	2767	SILVER SWAN(Orlando Gibbons)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2770	NOW IS THE MONTH OF MAYING(Thomas Morley)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2771	BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154	2771F	BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	2755	WASSAIL SONG(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	3028	SINCE FIRST I SAW YOUR FACE(Thomas Ford)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155	3463	THE PIPER O'DUNDEE	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	2801	DOWN IN YON FOREST(arr.Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3007	ALL CREATURES ARE NOW MERRY-MINDED(John Bennet)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3444	HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156	3444C	HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3009	HOLLY AND THE IVY(Rutland Broughton)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3012A	CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157	3012C	CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 		158 matrix hard to read 3010 or 3070 ???	
> 158	3010	WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3070	WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3077	HARK ALL YE LOVELY SAINTS	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158	3464C	AN ACRE OF LAND(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	2805	A FARMER'S SON(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	3443	SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159	3443C	SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160	3008	CA' THE YOWES (Robert Burns - arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160	3022	THOUGH AMARYLLIS DANCE IN GREEN(William Byrd)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3023	O CHRIST WHO ART THE LIGHT(William Byrd)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3465	IN DULCI JUBILO(R.I. Pearsall)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161	3027	HOSANNA TO THE SON OF DAVID	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162	2802	DARK-EYED SAILOR(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162	3025	IT'S OF A LAWYER FINE AND GAY(arr. Vaughan Williams)	ENGLISH SINGERS
> 163	2729	BOAT SONG(Harriet Ware; Moses)	WALTER MILLS
> 163		???	
> 164		???	
> 164		???	
> 165	3089	STARS(Kilmer-Ware)	WALTER MILLS
> 165	3097	???	
> 166		???	
> 166		???	
> 167		???	
> 167		???	
> 168		???	
> 168		???	
> 169		???	
> 169		???	
> 170		JUBA DANCE(Nathaniel Dett)	RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 170		DANSE NEGRE Op.58, No.5 (Cyril Scott)	RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3445	BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3446	BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171	3552	FOUNTAIN OF THE ACQUA PAOLA(Rudolph Gruen)	RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 172	3555	JUST LIKE A TREE PLANTED BY THE WATER	MARION KERBY&  JOHN JACOB NILES
> 172	3446	HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS	MARION KERBY&  JOHN JACOB NILES
> 173		???	
> 173		???	
> 174	3642	EVENIN'(Neil Moret)	HUDSON SINGERS
> 174	3043	I'M A WAND'RIN(Samuel Richards Gaines)	HUDSON SINGERS
> 		175-180 CHEERIO album	
> 175		SIDE BY SIDE/WOODS	GILBERTS
> 175		COMPANIONSHIP/TOGETHER WE TWO  Berlin	GILBERTS
> 176		THE CROAKER/THE BULLFROG AND THE COON  Anon; Feist	GILBERTS-Cheerio and Gil
> 176		MOTHER GOOSE PARADE  Breau	GILBERTS
> 177	9178-3	WIT'S END CORNER/O REST IN THE LORD Fawcett; Mendelssohn	CHEERIO and Associates; Gerry Riegger
> 177		THE ANGELUS(Harte)	CHEERIO and Associates
> 178		A HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER/FRIEND O' MINE  Riley; Sanderson	CHARITY CHEERIO RUSS Gilbert
> 178		IF ANY LITTLE WORD OF MINE/CHARITY  Behrend;; MacDermid	GERRY RIEGGER
> 179		FAIRIES  Wise	LOVINA GILBERT
> 179		BUTTERFLY SHIP/PLAY MAKE-BELIEVE  Frazier-Bond	CHEERIE  RUSS GILBERT
> 180		THE OLD HOME/LITTLE GREY HOME IN THE WEST  Cawien; Lhr	CHEERIO; PAT KELLY
> 180		A SONG OF TOMORROW/KEEP ON HOPIN' Grofflin; Heron-Maxwell	CHEERIO; RUSS GILBERT
> 			
> 			
> 	5252	Jak Monzo Veriti Z Opery Prodana Nevesta  - Smetany	OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
> 	5267	Pisen Chapelona Z Opery Postillon Z Lenjumeau - Marak	OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:30 AM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Images shmimages, I have the English Singers album two and a half times (i.e. a
> couple of sets in varying stages of completeness plus several loose discs, and
> photocopies of the labels of some I was missing courtesy of the Belfer Lab).
> The odd thing about that set of discs is that it was issued with some different
> couplings, and some alternate takes have the lyrics spoken before the group
> sings them. Six of the twelve discs were packaged in a smaller album as a
> Christmas set, and all of the song arrangements by Vaughan Williams were issued
> in a Pearl CD set of VW's music. I've been thinking of listing all of these on
> eBay.
>
> If anyone knows which issue of Record Research has a feature on this label,
> I'll see what other information there is.
>
> dl
>
> On 10/28/2012 11:03 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
>> On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
>> This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
>> Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
>> Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
>> Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
>> ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
>> I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.
>>
>> Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
>> Here is a working list of mxs with dates:
>>
>> Cameo mxs
>> 2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
>> 2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
>> -- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
>> 2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ADBD)
>> -- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ODP)
>> 2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
>> 2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
>> -->   Prob. also including 2798.
>> 2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
>> -->   2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
>> 2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
>> - 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
>> 2804-06 ??
>> 2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>>
>>>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??
>>
>> This label was produced by THE ROYCROFTERS (Elbert Hubbard, arts-crafts movement),
>> East Aurora, NY in the late 1920's - dates variously given as 1927-1930, some up to 1933.
>> Supposedly pressed by CAMEO (NYC), distributed by Wm.H.Wise&   Co.
>> Anyone have information about WHERE they were recorded.
>>
>> Performers primarily THE ENGLISH SINGERS, but also Marion Kerby&   John Jacob Niles,
>> Rudolph Gruen, The Gilberts, Gerry Riegger.
>> Catalog numbers I am aware of range from 151 - 180
>> .
>> Are there any CATALOGS?  REVIEWS?  ADVERTISEMENTS? etc. ????
>> Does anyone have the CD: THE ENGLISH SINGERS OF LONDON - Eclectra 2039 ??
>>     Are these all from Roycroft, HMV or both??
>>     Do the annotations contain any matrix numbers for the Roycroft recordings??
>>
>> ROYCROFT fascinates me.  I would like to see a complete discography, and any references to these
>> recordings - Perhaps those on this list can make that happen?
>> Thomas.
>> ---
>> I sold a Rudolph Gruen disc a couple of months ago as well as the Cheerio album
>> (the Gilberts are in it), and I have 2 or 3 incomplete sets of The English
>> Singers, with some variant sides. I first found out about this label while
>> scanning Jim Hadfield's Record Research magazines (and photocopying several of
>> them..I've since acquired a long run of them). The discs are all recorded and
>> pressed by Cameo and the matrix numbers fit with that label. Lousy surfaces.
>> Everything I've seen seems to be from about 1929 but they were certainly
>> available after that date since the English Singers are listed in the 1931
>> Gramophone Shop catalogue.
>> dl
>> <<<
> ===
>>>>
> I don't know if this is the same recording, but the aria from The Bartered
> Bride (Prodana Nevesta) by Otakar Marak is also on a European Columbia issue,
> OC 57. The other side should be from Adam's Le Postillon de Longjumeau unless
> someone named Marak wrote an opera with the same name.
>
> The reason for multiple titles on some of the English Singers sides is that
> they actually recorded more than 24 sides (as well as alternate takes) and I've
> found 3 that have different couplings.
>
> I've also found at least one Roycroft pressing that has an indentation in the
> label, 1/4 inch from the outside, and evidence that these were in print long
> enough to be part of the Carnegie Collections. Would ARC have continued
> pressing them?
>
> dl
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