[78-L] ROYCROFT label
Thomas Stern
sternth at attglobal.net
Tue Oct 30 17:11:40 PDT 2012
Hi David,
MANY THANKS - looking forward to the RR photocopies!
What information do you have about CHEERIO et al. (Gilberts, Riegger) ??
Google has snippet views - not too helpful - of the following - anyone able to access these ???
Phonograph Monthly Review v.3 p.202 about The Hudson Singers,
Michigan Education Journal Vol.7 1929 possibly an advert on p.261.
Below is the updated list: 4 releases missing (plus whatever alternates) and the MARAK mystery!
Cheers, Thomas.
151-162 ENGLISH SINGERS album w 32pp booklet
xxx-xxx ENGLISH SINGERS album - Christmas
151 2753 SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet ENGLISH SINGERS
151 2754 THE TURTLE DOVE(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
151 3445 SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet ENGLISH SINGERS
152 2762 IN GOING TO MY NAKED BED(Richard Edwards) ENGLISH SINGERS
152 2806 JUST AS THE TIDE WAS FLOWING (arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
153 2763 THREE FAIRIES (Henry Purcell) ENGLISH SINGERS
153 2767 SILVER SWAN(Orlando Gibbons) ENGLISH SINGERS
154 2770 NOW IS THE MONTH OF MAYING(Thomas Morley) ENGLISH SINGERS
154 2771 BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger) ENGLISH SINGERS
154 2771F BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger) ENGLISH SINGERS
155 2755 WASSAIL SONG(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
155 3028 SINCE FIRST I SAW YOUR FACE(Thomas Ford) ENGLISH SINGERS
155 3463 THE PIPER O'DUNDEE ENGLISH SINGERS
156 2801 DOWN IN YON FOREST(arr.Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
156 3007 ALL CREATURES ARE NOW MERRY-MINDED(John Bennet) ENGLISH SINGERS
156 3444 HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN ENGLISH SINGERS
156 3444C HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN ENGLISH SINGERS
157 3009 HOLLY AND THE IVY(Rutland Broughton) ENGLISH SINGERS
157 3012A CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock) ENGLISH SINGERS
157 3012C CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock) ENGLISH SINGERS
158 matrix hard to read 3010 or 3070 ???
158 3010 WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
158 3070 WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
158 3077 HARK ALL YE LOVELY SAINTS ENGLISH SINGERS
158 3464C AN ACRE OF LAND(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
159 2805 A FARMER'S SON(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
159 3443 SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete) ENGLISH SINGERS
159 3443C SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete) ENGLISH SINGERS
160 3008 CA' THE YOWES (Robert Burns - arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
160 3022 THOUGH AMARYLLIS DANCE IN GREEN(William Byrd) ENGLISH SINGERS
161 3023 O CHRIST WHO ART THE LIGHT(William Byrd) ENGLISH SINGERS
161 3465 IN DULCI JUBILO(R.I. Pearsall) ENGLISH SINGERS
161 3027 HOSANNA TO THE SON OF DAVID ENGLISH SINGERS
162 2802 DARK-EYED SAILOR(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
162 3025 IT'S OF A LAWYER FINE AND GAY(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
163 2729A BOAT SONG(Moses-Harriet Ware) WALTER MILLS
163 2926B JOY OF THE MORNING(Markham-Ware) WALTER MILLS
Walter Mills, lyric baritone, piano acc. by the composer
164 ???
164 ???
165 3089a STARS(Kilmer-Ware) WALTER MILLS
165 3097c MOON MYSTERY(Preston-Ware)/THE FRIEND OF YOU(Swain-Ware) WALTER MILLS
166 ???
166 ???
167 ???
167 ???
168 ???
168 ???
169 2925D EVENING (Griffith-Wise) IRVING MARSTON JACKSON
169 3098B GOD IS HERE (Aaron-Wise) IRVING MARSTON JACKSON
Irving Marston Jackson, baritone, piano acc. By the composer
170 JUBA DANCE(Nathaniel Dett) RALPH GRUEN, piano
170 DANSE NEGRE Op.58, No.5 (Cyril Scott) RALPH GRUEN, piano
171 3445 BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
171 3446 BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
171 3552 FOUNTAIN OF THE ACQUA PAOLA(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
172 3555 JUST LIKE A TREE PLANTED BY THE WATER MARION KERBY & JOHN JACOB NILES
172 3446 HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS MARION KERBY & JOHN JACOB NILES
173 MY OLE BANJO (Wise-Baer) HUDSON SINGERS
173 WATER BOY HUDSON SINGERS
174 3642 EVENIN'(Neil Moret) HUDSON SINGERS
174 3043 I'M A WAND'RIN(Samuel Richards Gaines) HUDSON SINGERS
175-180 CHEERIO album
175 SIDE BY SIDE/WOODS GILBERTS
175 COMPANIONSHIP/TOGETHER WE TWO Berlin GILBERTS
176 THE CROAKER/THE BULLFROG AND THE COON Anon; Feist GILBERTS-Cheerio and Gil
176 MOTHER GOOSE PARADE Breau GILBERTS
177 9178-3 WIT'S END CORNER/O REST IN THE LORD Fawcett; Mendelssohn CHEERIO and Associates; Gerry Riegger
177 THE ANGELUS(Harte) CHEERIO and Associates
178 A HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER/FRIEND O' MINE Riley; Sanderson CHARITY CHEERIO RUSS Gilbert
178 IF ANY LITTLE WORD OF MINE/CHARITY Behrend;; MacDermid GERRY RIEGGER
179 FAIRIES Wise LOVINA GILBERT
179 BUTTERFLY SHIP/PLAY MAKE-BELIEVE Frazier-Bond CHEERIO RUSS GILBERT
180 THE OLD HOME/LITTLE GREY HOME IN THE WEST Cawien; Lhr CHEERIO; PAT KELLY
180 A SONG OF TOMORROW/KEEP ON HOPIN' Grofflin; Heron-Maxwell CHEERIO; RUSS GILBERT
5252 Jak Monzo Veriti Z Opery Prodana Nevesta - Smetany OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
5267 Pisen Chapelona Z Opery Postillon Z Lenjumeau - Marak OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
-----Original Message-----
From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
[mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:14 PM
To: 78-L Mail List
Subject: Re: [78-L] ROYCROFT label
Filling in a couple of holes, from the George Blacker articles:
163A: BOAT SONG (Moses Ware) 2729a
163B: JOY OF THE MORNING (Markham-Ware) 2926B
--Walter Mills, lyric baritone, piano acc. by the composer (presumably Mr. Ware)
165A: STARS (Kilmer-Ware) 3089a
165B: MOON MYSTERY (Preston-Ware) + THE FRIEND OF YOU (Swain-Ware) 3097c
--Walter Mills as above
169A: EVENING (Griffith-Wise) 2925D
169B: GOD IS HERE (Aaron-Wise) 3098B
--Irving Marston Jackson, baritone, piano acc. by the composer (presumably Mr.
Wise)
dl
On 10/30/2012 5:45 PM, Thomas Stern wrote:
> Thanks Han!!
>
> Anyone else have data ???
>
> Does anyone know if a catalog of Roycroft recordings was published, or if the Roycrofters published adverts for
> the recordings in any of their publications ??
>
> Best wishes, Thomas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of Han Enderman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:59 PM
> To: 78-L
> Subject: [78-L] ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Roycroft 173 is:
> THE HUDSON SINGERS: My Ole Banjo (Wise-Baer) / Water Boy.
>
> han enderman
> ===
>>>>
> Below is a list of ROYCROFT releases gathered from online sources.
> Many THANKS to David Lennick for numerous updates and corrections from the ENGLISH SINGERS series.
>
> Anyone else with copies of any ROYCROFT, please provide updates, corrections, additions.
>
> NOTE: NO INFORMATION for 163(2nd side) 164 165(2nd side) 166 167 168 169 173
> possibly 163/165 are misreadings of 3/5 - anyone have any of these discs???
>
> NOTHING below 151, above 180
>
> There is a catalog entry for OTAKAR MARAK (a Czech tenor) credited to ROYCROFT, but no catalog number.
> Does anyone know if this is correct, or an error in specifying the label ??? MARAK recorded for
> Gramophone, Parlophone, Victor, Columbia(US), Ultraphon (1930). Court Opera issued an LP, which I do not have - does
> it's annotations give any information about Roycroft ???
>
> THANKS!
> Best wishes, Thomas
>
>
> 151-162 ENGLISH SINGERS album w 32pp booklet
> xxx-xxx ENGLISH SINGERS album - Christmas related selections
> 151 2753 SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151 2754 THE TURTLE DOVE(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 151 3445 SING WE AND CHANT IT(Thomas Morley) Ballet ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152 2762 IN GOING TO MY NAKED BED(Richard Edwards) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 152 2806 JUST AS THE TIDE WAS FLOWING (arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153 2763 THREE FAIRIES (Henry Purcell) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 153 2767 SILVER SWAN(Orlando Gibbons) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154 2770 NOW IS THE MONTH OF MAYING(Thomas Morley) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154 2771 BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 154 2771F BRIGG FAIR(arr. Percy Grainger) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155 2755 WASSAIL SONG(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155 3028 SINCE FIRST I SAW YOUR FACE(Thomas Ford) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 155 3463 THE PIPER O'DUNDEE ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156 2801 DOWN IN YON FOREST(arr.Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156 3007 ALL CREATURES ARE NOW MERRY-MINDED(John Bennet) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156 3444 HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN ENGLISH SINGERS
> 156 3444C HARD BY A CRYSTSAL FOUNTAIN ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157 3009 HOLLY AND THE IVY(Rutland Broughton) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157 3012A CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 157 3012C CORPUS CHRISTI(Peter Warlock) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158 matrix hard to read 3010 or 3070 ???
> 158 3010 WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158 3070 WE'VE BEEN AWHILE A-WANDERING(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158 3077 HARK ALL YE LOVELY SAINTS ENGLISH SINGERS
> 158 3464C AN ACRE OF LAND(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159 2805 A FARMER'S SON(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159 3443 SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 159 3443C SUMMER IS ICUMEM IN(John of Fornsete) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160 3008 CA' THE YOWES (Robert Burns - arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 160 3022 THOUGH AMARYLLIS DANCE IN GREEN(William Byrd) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161 3023 O CHRIST WHO ART THE LIGHT(William Byrd) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161 3465 IN DULCI JUBILO(R.I. Pearsall) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 161 3027 HOSANNA TO THE SON OF DAVID ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162 2802 DARK-EYED SAILOR(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 162 3025 IT'S OF A LAWYER FINE AND GAY(arr. Vaughan Williams) ENGLISH SINGERS
> 163 2729 BOAT SONG(Harriet Ware; Moses) WALTER MILLS
> 163 ???
> 164 ???
> 164 ???
> 165 3089 STARS(Kilmer-Ware) WALTER MILLS
> 165 3097 ???
> 166 ???
> 166 ???
> 167 ???
> 167 ???
> 168 ???
> 168 ???
> 169 ???
> 169 ???
> 170 JUBA DANCE(Nathaniel Dett) RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 170 DANSE NEGRE Op.58, No.5 (Cyril Scott) RALPH GRUEN, piano
> 171 3445 BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171 3446 BEAUTY AND THE BEAST(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 171 3552 FOUNTAIN OF THE ACQUA PAOLA(Rudolph Gruen) RUDOLPH GRUEN, piano
> 172 3555 JUST LIKE A TREE PLANTED BY THE WATER MARION KERBY& JOHN JACOB NILES
> 172 3446 HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS MARION KERBY& JOHN JACOB NILES
> 173 ???
> 173 ???
> 174 3642 EVENIN'(Neil Moret) HUDSON SINGERS
> 174 3043 I'M A WAND'RIN(Samuel Richards Gaines) HUDSON SINGERS
> 175-180 CHEERIO album
> 175 SIDE BY SIDE/WOODS GILBERTS
> 175 COMPANIONSHIP/TOGETHER WE TWO Berlin GILBERTS
> 176 THE CROAKER/THE BULLFROG AND THE COON Anon; Feist GILBERTS-Cheerio and Gil
> 176 MOTHER GOOSE PARADE Breau GILBERTS
> 177 9178-3 WIT'S END CORNER/O REST IN THE LORD Fawcett; Mendelssohn CHEERIO and Associates; Gerry Riegger
> 177 THE ANGELUS(Harte) CHEERIO and Associates
> 178 A HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER/FRIEND O' MINE Riley; Sanderson CHARITY CHEERIO RUSS Gilbert
> 178 IF ANY LITTLE WORD OF MINE/CHARITY Behrend;; MacDermid GERRY RIEGGER
> 179 FAIRIES Wise LOVINA GILBERT
> 179 BUTTERFLY SHIP/PLAY MAKE-BELIEVE Frazier-Bond CHEERIE RUSS GILBERT
> 180 THE OLD HOME/LITTLE GREY HOME IN THE WEST Cawien; Lhr CHEERIO; PAT KELLY
> 180 A SONG OF TOMORROW/KEEP ON HOPIN' Grofflin; Heron-Maxwell CHEERIO; RUSS GILBERT
>
>
> 5252 Jak Monzo Veriti Z Opery Prodana Nevesta - Smetany OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
> 5267 Pisen Chapelona Z Opery Postillon Z Lenjumeau - Marak OTAKAR MARAK ORCHESTRU
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:30 AM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Cameo dates - was ROYCROFT label
>
>
> Images shmimages, I have the English Singers album two and a half times (i.e. a
> couple of sets in varying stages of completeness plus several loose discs, and
> photocopies of the labels of some I was missing courtesy of the Belfer Lab).
> The odd thing about that set of discs is that it was issued with some different
> couplings, and some alternate takes have the lyrics spoken before the group
> sings them. Six of the twelve discs were packaged in a smaller album as a
> Christmas set, and all of the song arrangements by Vaughan Williams were issued
> in a Pearl CD set of VW's music. I've been thinking of listing all of these on
> eBay.
>
> If anyone knows which issue of Record Research has a feature on this label,
> I'll see what other information there is.
>
> dl
>
> On 10/28/2012 11:03 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have several label images from the Roycroft English Singers Album, containing 151-162.
>> On 156 'Down In Yon Forest' the mx is visible, being Cameo mx 2801.
>> This was recorded early Jan 1928 (an interesting coincidence for a mx numbered 2801)
>> Trying to establish the exact date, there were discrepancies between Russell's Country Music dg (CMR),
>> Rust's ADBD and Ty's ODP. The new ADBD is not available.
>> Assuming that CMR is correct, the Rust dates are too early, but given as "circa".
>> ODP lists Rust's "c." dates as definitive dates, and thus they are too early.
>> I have compiled a list of most of the mxs/dates adjacent to mx 2801.
>>
>> Can someone give more accurate dates, possibly from ADBORAF?
>> Here is a working list of mxs with dates:
>>
>> Cameo mxs
>> 2784-87 = 6 Jan 1928 Dalhart (CMR)
>> 2788-90 = c. 2 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2789 = 2 Jan 1928 Bob Haring (ODP)
>> -- 2790 = 2 Jan 1928 Society Night Club O. - Cameo 8119 (ODP)
>> 2791-93 = c. 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ADBD)
>> -- 2791-93 = 4 Jan 1928 Sam Lanin (ODP)
>> 2794-96 = c. 5 Jan 1928 Haing (ADBD)
>> -- 2796 = 5 Jan 1928 Detroiters (ODP)
>> 2797, 2799 = George Hall Orch, Jan 1928 (ODP) - Cameo 8113 (not in ADBD)
>> --> Prob. also including 2798.
>> 2801 = Roycroft 156 English Singers
>> --> 2800 and/or 2802 also on Roycroft ?
>> 2803 = c. 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ADBD)
>> - 2803 = 9 Jan 1928 San Lanin (ODP)
>> 2804-06 ??
>> 2807-09 = c. 10 Jan 1928 Haring (ADBD)
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>>
>>>>> Can anyone supply discographical data for any ROYCROFT recordings ??
>>
>> This label was produced by THE ROYCROFTERS (Elbert Hubbard, arts-crafts movement),
>> East Aurora, NY in the late 1920's - dates variously given as 1927-1930, some up to 1933.
>> Supposedly pressed by CAMEO (NYC), distributed by Wm.H.Wise& Co.
>> Anyone have information about WHERE they were recorded.
>>
>> Performers primarily THE ENGLISH SINGERS, but also Marion Kerby& John Jacob Niles,
>> Rudolph Gruen, The Gilberts, Gerry Riegger.
>> Catalog numbers I am aware of range from 151 - 180
>> .
>> Are there any CATALOGS? REVIEWS? ADVERTISEMENTS? etc. ????
>> Does anyone have the CD: THE ENGLISH SINGERS OF LONDON - Eclectra 2039 ??
>> Are these all from Roycroft, HMV or both??
>> Do the annotations contain any matrix numbers for the Roycroft recordings??
>>
>> ROYCROFT fascinates me. I would like to see a complete discography, and any references to these
>> recordings - Perhaps those on this list can make that happen?
>> Thomas.
>> ---
>> I sold a Rudolph Gruen disc a couple of months ago as well as the Cheerio album
>> (the Gilberts are in it), and I have 2 or 3 incomplete sets of The English
>> Singers, with some variant sides. I first found out about this label while
>> scanning Jim Hadfield's Record Research magazines (and photocopying several of
>> them..I've since acquired a long run of them). The discs are all recorded and
>> pressed by Cameo and the matrix numbers fit with that label. Lousy surfaces.
>> Everything I've seen seems to be from about 1929 but they were certainly
>> available after that date since the English Singers are listed in the 1931
>> Gramophone Shop catalogue.
>> dl
>> <<<
> ===
>>>>
> I don't know if this is the same recording, but the aria from The Bartered
> Bride (Prodana Nevesta) by Otakar Marak is also on a European Columbia issue,
> OC 57. The other side should be from Adam's Le Postillon de Longjumeau unless
> someone named Marak wrote an opera with the same name.
>
> The reason for multiple titles on some of the English Singers sides is that
> they actually recorded more than 24 sides (as well as alternate takes) and I've
> found 3 that have different couplings.
>
> I've also found at least one Roycroft pressing that has an indentation in the
> label, 1/4 inch from the outside, and evidence that these were in print long
> enough to be part of the Carnegie Collections. Would ARC have continued
> pressing them?
>
> dl
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