[78-L] Victor Scroll Labels in Canada?

[Mike Daley]

Except that it was Emile Berliner's son Herbert that started Compo, in
direct competition with his father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compo_Company

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Steve Williams <jazzhunter at collector.org> wrote:
> Remember that this is tied in with introduction of electric recording.  In
> Canada from the get-go electrically-recorded Victors identified the new
> process on the label as "V.E. Process", the VE in an oblong being required
> under the Western Electric contract to identify recordings made with their
> patented method.  Also the labels generally switched from blue to black,
> though continuing and reissued acoustic releases used a black label.  I have
> seen a blue "VE Process" label on a standard 10" dance band release, but
> that's rare.. Overall however both acoustic and Electric releases used the
> same batwing style.
>
> However, in the States, to protect the backlog of Acoustic recordings
> (though the story goes a bit deeper than that) electric releases were not
> acknowledged in any way, except for the VE symbol embedded in the runout
> area.  When Victor decided to admit to the superior Electric process in
> November 1925 they did it with a bang, ads in the papers, store flyers etc.
> and trademarked it as "Orthophonic."  At this time, to emphasise the big
> improvement, they introduced the scroll (or Octagon) label with the "VE" at
> the top.  Canada continued to use the batwing label except "VE Process" was
> changed to "VE Orthophonic" and later just "Orthophonic" with a tiny VE
> symbol above that. There was no big announcement of a change in Canadian
> releases, therefore probably that's why there was no big change in label
> style.
>
> Just by the way, The Compo Company in Montreal had North America's first
> electric studio actually releasing product in 1924.  The earliest Victor
> electric tests were done by Canadian Compo, which was founded by Berliner
> after he left Victor.  So Canada has a special place in the history of
> electric recording, along with Victor actually acknowledging Electric
> releases before the US.  Canadian Victor was AHEAD of the US, not "Behind"
> in doing anything...
>
> ..Steve Williams  ..
>
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> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:57:21 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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>>Nope, Canada never had them. Maybe a slightly modified scroll for the
> Program
>>Transcriptions, but for general releases Canadian Victor stuck with Batwing
>
>>right through 1946. We were even a year late changing that to RCA Victor,
> we
>>kept Buff Bluebird into 1939 and used the Staff label for only about six
> months
>>as well. The first Scroll label in Canada might have been on the lp Nilsson
>
>>Schmilsson.
>
> dl
>
> On 4/3/2012 1:30 AM, Clifford Bolling wrote:
>> In the U.S., Victor labels evolved from Batwing to Scroll to Ring design
> for their labels.
>> Did the Scroll label get skipped for Canadian pressings and go straight
> from Batwing to Rings??
>> I have some Canadian pressed 'HIS MASTER'S VOICE/VICTOR' label records
> that I know
>> were made in the 1940s that are still Batwing, but I don't recall ever
> seeing Canadian Scroll design labels.
>>
>> http://PDX78s.cdbpdx.com/CanSC/
>>
>> Thanks!  CDB
>
>
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