[78-L] Ford (remove ^ - back on 78 content)

Fri Feb 3 13:22:44 PST 2012

Depending on the dates of the Orthophonics, Edison could have been out of the phonograph business.

Ron L

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So much for the clarity of my memory on that subject.  Thanks for the article - I wondered why Henry would let his orchestra record for Victor when Tom Edison was such a close friend.  Edison, no doubt, recorded them so they would be preserved in the finest sound quality available* for his old friend, and Henry probably wanted Victor to do it so they would actually sell a few copies.

*The Victors being early Orthophonics, do we know if poor ol' deaf Tom could tell the difference between electrics and acoustics?  (One of the great ironies of history that a nearly deaf man figured out how to record - and play back - sound!)

Rodger

For Best Results use Victor Needles.

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--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Mike Daley <mikedaley at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Daley <mikedaley at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Ford (remove ^ - back on 78 content)
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Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 10:53 AM

Here's the story on the Old Fashioned Dance Orchestra from Henry Ford:
http://www.heinerfischle.de/history/ford-e.htm

I recently acquired two records of the orchestra, labelled "Early American Dances" with the subtitle "as revived by Mr. and Mrs. Henry Ford". One has
105-A-1 and B-1 in the runout grooves (Lancers "Oriental") and the other has 112-A and B, with a number 2 higher up along the label on both sides (Black Cat Quadrille Part 1 and 2). In both cases these numbers are reproduced on the labels as catalog numbers.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Rodger Holtin <rjh334578 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> David,
> Do the Ford Engineering copies have the VE and the Victor number as I 
> remembered?  I could be wrong - as well as old.
>
> Rodger
>
> For Best Results use Victor Needles.
>
> .
>
> --- On Fri, 2/3/12, David Sanderson <dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Sanderson <dwsanderson685 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Ford (remove ^ - back on 78 content)
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 8:49 AM
>
>
> On 2/3/2012 8:30 AM, Rodger Holtin wrote:
>
> > To steer this discussion back on track for 78 content, I passed up 
> > my once-in-a-lifetime chance to buy a brand new 78 from the 
> > Greenfield Village gift shop.  There with the calendars, coffee mugs 
> > and trivets was a bin of 10” black vinyl 78s by Henry Ford’s Old 
> > Time Dance Orchestra.  The details have faded with my aging youth so 
> > I could be wrong about this, but as I recall they were on the “Ford” 
> > label (same logo), black label, silver print, with a border similar to “batwing”
> > Victors, but clearly I do recall the unmistakable oval (VE) and the 
> > 19XXX numerals in the runout.  A seasoned collector of 78s for all 
> > of two years by that point, I was a few weeks short of turning a 
> > very mature 13 years old and didn’t think the waltzes and 
> > schottisches were up to my standards, so I bought a trivet – which we still use.
> > I have always wondered about those records, and seeing them show up 
> > in the Victor Master Book pretty well answered for me that they must 
> > have been regular issue Victors early in life and perhaps a 
> > contracted pressing job in the vinyl era.  They were in plain brown 
> > sleeves, and a few of them looked a bit shopworn by late summer of 
> > 1963.  If anybody knows any more about the story behind those 
> > records I’d be interested in hearing it, and, to be honest, I think 
> > I'm mature enough for the waltzes, polkas and schottisches if 
> > there's an
> > mp3 or utube available.
> >
> > Rodger
>
> I've got some Ford recordings on Victor, and a set with a Ford 
> Engineering Laboratory label, no logo; but these are early, I think, 
> so likely the logo label was much later. I've never seen documentation 
> on who pressed the proprietary disks, though I suppose it may have 
> been Victor.
> --
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> East Waterford Maine
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