[78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks

[Erwin Kluwer]

Yes, I also would mention the defect separately, but if the surface
(without the defect) would be graded say E+, I still would down grade the
whole record

Erwin

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Duncan
<recordgeek334578 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Yes, I agree - separating the condition from the defect is the best and
> most honest  way.
>
> For example, I wouldn't be impressed if I bought a 78 from Ebay or from a
> set sale list graded as V+ that was actually E+ with a crack.that
>
> Easiest all round to say ...'E+ with 2" hc, nap' ...or similar.
>
> I tend to stay away from records with cracks or bad digs where possible as
> I try to get 'keepers' rather than having to upgrade things.  Having said
> that, some records are so rare that I still buy them if they have said
> defects, I just bid accordingly.
>
>
> Different collectors have their own opinions on all these aspects, I guess.
>
> Regards,
> Matthew
>
>
>
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 17:17
>  Subject: Re: [78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks
>
>
> I tend to favor separating the condition of the record from defects such
> as cracks and chips. To me, the condition of a record determines its
> overall wear. A record can be E but have a hairline crack in it. To me,
> this more accurately describes a record than by just saying V+ with a
> crack. If I received a record described that way, the wear would appear to
> be undergraded. It's not like if it were a coin, where a defect such as
> lack of luster or a ding actually devalues the condition. Records have an
> added purpose for being able to be played. A record should be graded as if
> the crack were not there, but noted accordingly. At least that's how I
> would do it. The same goes for a pit or a dig. I have many records that
> play great except for a flaw like this. I might bid on such a record if it
> were otherwise in excellent condition, so long as the defect and its effect
> on playing were noted in detail.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:54:32 +0100
> > From: ekluwer at gmail.com
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks
> >
> > Causes: external pressure , temperature/humidity changes, etc
> >
> > In my opinion one has to lower the grade a notch or two...
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Rod Brown <raudiobrown at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm afraid this issue has probably been discussed roughly a bazillion
> times
> > > already. If there's enough patience for one more go-round, I'd be
> > > interested to hear how list members take laminate cracks into account
> when
> > > grading 78s for sale. On-list or off is equally fine with me.
> > >
> > > I've got some Columbias, Brunswicks and Okehs that I'll be selling a
> few
> > > weeks hence, and many are in beautiful shape except for a few each of
> these
> > > blessed cracks. Does one simply lower them from E- to VG+?
> > >
> > > Do we have theories (or facts) on what causes 'em?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice, clues, etc.
> > >
> > > Rod
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