[78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks

[Matthew Duncan]

Yes, I agree - separating the condition from the defect is the best and most honest  way.
 
For example, I wouldn't be impressed if I bought a 78 from Ebay or from a set sale list graded as V+ that was actually E+ with a crack.
 
Easiest all round to say ...'E+ with 2" hc, nap' ...or similar.
 
I tend to stay away from records with cracks or bad digs where possible as I try to get 'keepers' rather than having to upgrade things.  Having said that, some records are so rare that I still buy them if they have said defects, I just bid accordingly.
 
 
Different collectors have their own opinions on all these aspects, I guess.
 
Regards,
Matthew
 
 

From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 17:17
Subject: Re: [78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks


I tend to favor separating the condition of the record from defects such as cracks and chips. To me, the condition of a record determines its overall wear. A record can be E but have a hairline crack in it. To me, this more accurately describes a record than by just saying V+ with a crack. If I received a record described that way, the wear would appear to be undergraded. It's not like if it were a coin, where a defect such as lack of luster or a ding actually devalues the condition. Records have an added purpose for being able to be played. A record should be graded as if the crack were not there, but noted accordingly. At least that's how I would do it. The same goes for a pit or a dig. I have many records that play great except for a flaw like this. I might bid on such a record if it were otherwise in excellent condition, so long as the defect and its effect on playing were noted in detail.

Cary Ginell


> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:54:32 +0100
> From: ekluwer at gmail.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] grading 78s with lamination cracks
> 
> Causes: external pressure , temperature/humidity changes, etc
> 
> In my opinion one has to lower the grade a notch or two...
> 
> Erwin
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Rod Brown <raudiobrown at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm afraid this issue has probably been discussed roughly a bazillion times
> > already. If there's enough patience for one more go-round, I'd be
> > interested to hear how list members take laminate cracks into account when
> > grading 78s for sale. On-list or off is equally fine with me.
> >
> > I've got some Columbias, Brunswicks and Okehs that I'll be selling a few
> > weeks hence, and many are in beautiful shape except for a few each of these
> > blessed cracks. Does one simply lower them from E- to VG+?
> >
> > Do we have theories (or facts) on what causes 'em?
> >
> > Thanks for any advice, clues, etc.
> >
> > Rod
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