[78-L] short sides - was Unusually long 78RPM sides

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In the late 30s Moritz Rosenthal recorded the Chopin Sonata #3 for Vic. 
He was well on in years, so they had him record the last movement on 2 
sides, to give him a break. There is also an alternate wherein he plays 
the entire last movement in one uninterrupted take. Fitting it on 1 side 
was not a problem. I prefer the single sided take myself.

The short sides don't appear to be so short. When my eyes were younger, 
I could look without a magnifying glass and see land between the grooves 
and know that a side was short. Not so easy these days (altho on this 
list I am only in the middle of the age spectrum).

joe salerno


On 11/8/2011 1:55 AM, Mike Harkin wrote:
> One of the Hqydn Society discs on HMV runs about 6.5 min per side.  Couldn't get that partidula4 volume to fit on 60 min cassette no matter how I juggled.  Finally realised sides
> were extra long.  IIRC it was the 'Joke' Quartet - appropriate!
>
> One of Elgar's P&C marches runs nearly 5 min., and last side of Konoye's Mahler 4 dies in the runout tracks....
>
> I think i've seen really SHORT sides only on Columbia....  Ravel's Septet supervised by him is stretched over 4 30cm sides, with one being no more than a minute and a halr.  They could have got it onto 4 25cm sides easily!  Go know!
>
> Mike in Plovdiv
>
> --- On Tue, 11/8/11, David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>  wrote:
>
>
> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Unusually long 78RPM sides
> To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 3:35 AM
>
>
> Indeed, it looks like a standard 1929 English Columbia. I hadn't looked closely
> at the grooves and only noticed that after two minutes, the stylus wasn't
> halfway through. I misspoke when I said "a..side that pushes ten minutes", I
> meant both sides in total.
>
> dl
>
> On 11/7/2011 8:00 PM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
>> So this record has the larger label size usually found on pre-1930 records,
>> not the smaller more or less 3" label first used on longer records and then
>> later adopted as standard?  Those grooves must be rather like those on a
>> Polydor 10" 78 I have from the early 1950s, a pair of medleys by Lale
>> Andersen.  Both sides are well over 5 minutes long, cut with variable
>> pitch, and with grooving fine enough that they could have easily got 6
>> minutes on each side.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>   wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention that this is a ten-incher, Columbia 5341.
>>>
>>> There will now be a pause for Mike Biel to say "It just SEEMS like ten
>>> minutes."
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2011 3:19 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> We've discussed this many times, and double-length 78 playing times were
>>> common
>>>> in the 50s..as well as in the early 30s with Hit Of The Week and
>>> Columbia's
>>>> Longer Playing Records. But I've never encountered an English Columbia
>>> side
>>>> from the 1920s that pushes 10 minutes until now, especially since UK
>>> Columbia
>>>> in particular went to rather shorter sides when electrical recording
>>> came in
>>>> (causing Holst to conduct his Planets much faster than he had on the
>>> acoustical
>>>> version). A pair of electioneering speeches by Ramsay MacDonald in 1929
>>> runs
>>>> 4:50 and 4:56 and they didn't have to shrink the labels.
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>>>
>
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Joe Salerno