[78-L] HMV 216000 series questions

Wed Sep 7 07:34:51 PDT 2011

If Moogk didn't have the discs, he couldn't rely on the Victor catalogue, which 
lists all the titles in one bunch as "Northland Songs", 216587/90. It also says 
"See also Educational Catalogue"..big help. Even the main catalogue gives up 
and says "Etc" after "Golden Slumbers"..

Aren't these possibly in the Virtual Gramophone?

dl

On 9/7/2011 10:10 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> Interesting. Apparently Moogk did not know the exact contents of 216587-89,
> and did not expect that these were medleys.
> Possibly he only knew the 6 titles on 587 (as cited by David) and distributed these over the 3
> subsequent issues 587-589.
> This explains Cradle/Garden on 588&  Voyageur/Mountain on 589.
> Can it be confirmed that Moogk lists only Canoe Song / Old Time Christmas for 587 ?!
>
> Remains the question: what is on 216588-A ?
> Is Moogk right for the next issue, 216590 ?
>
> I like listings, but you always have to inspect the records....
>
>
> han enderman
>
> ===
>>>> I think the highest number is 216611, Band of H. M. Canadian Grenadier Guards,
> Vive le Canadienne/Jock O' York (216609/11 are by them).
>
> I have 2 of the Frances James discs. 2 or 3 titles per side as follows:
>
> 216587A: Northland Songs: Canoe Song/Cradle Song/In the Garden I Love
> 216587B: Northland Songs: Voyageur Song/Mountain Stream/Old Time Christmas
>
> 216589A: The Mermaid/The Meeting of the Waters
> 216589B: Golden Slumbers/Busy Bee
>
> dl
>
> On 9/7/2011 8:35 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> This list shows for the 2 last issues mentioned:
>> 588  Frances James; Cradle Song/In the Garden I love
>> 589    "                 "       Voyageur Song/Mountain Stream
>>
>> I sent Harold images of 2 labels, by Frances James / Soprano with piano:
>>
>> 216588-B = 1. Where Do They Go? 2. Sleep Baby Sleep 3. The Quest (from "New Canadian Song Series").
>> 216589-A = 1. The Mermaid 2. The Meeting of the Waters (from "New Canadian Song Series"
>> and the "Singing Period").
>>
>> How can the Moogk titles be explained?
>>
>> Additional question:
>> What is the highest cat.nr in this series?
>>
>> han enderman
>> ===
>>>>>
>> Moogk gives:
>>
>> 216000  not used
>> ...001  Col. John A. Joyce; Love and Laughter (Joyce)/There's no pocket in a shroud - The leaves are falling
>> 127, 130, 209, 307, 311, 312, 427, 433, 440, 478, 507, 512, 513: no listing
>> 519  Sleepy Hall's Melody Boys; I'm afraid of you/In the sweet bye and bye
>> 522  Finlay Campbell; A Mhair Bhan/Irgain Namara
>> 530, 531: no listing
>> 541  Willie Eckstein; I'm All a-Twitter/Wedding of the Painted Doll
>> 542  Bessie Anderson; Within a Mile of Edinburgh Town/Annie Laurie
>> 543  Richard Walker; Until/Because
>> 547  Welsh Imperial Singers; All Through the Night/March of the Men of Harlech
>> 554  no listing
>> 557  Willie Eckstein; My Baby Just Cares for Me/Here Comes the Sun
>> 562  Ye Olde Tyme Village Quartet; O Love that will not let me go/Jerusalem the Golden
>> 563  Joseph Allard; Soldier's Joy/Square Dance
>> 566      "           "      Polo March/Snowshoer's Reel
>> 568  Leon Robert Goulet  Red River Jig/The Western First Chain
>> 574  George Wade and his Corn Huskers; The Chisholm Trail/Mountain High
>> 585  Joseph Allard; St. Patrick's Day Reel/Turkey in the Straw
>> 586  Frederick English; On the Road to Mandalay/Le reve passe
>> 588  Frances James; Cradle Song/In the Garden I love
>> 589    "                 "       Voyageur Song/Mountain Stream
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Chris
>> - Christopher Steward chris.1picc at yahoo.co.uk
>> =====
>> From: Harold Aherne<leotolstoy_75 at yahoo.com>
>> To: 78-L at 78online.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 9:36
>> Subject: [78-L] HMV 216000 series questions
>>
>> Over the past few days I've been looking over the 216000 series of issues that Berliner
>> Gramophone initiated in 1916, primarily using the Virtual Gramophone to determine what
>> was issued on each catalogue number. Thus far I've found about 34 that are missing
>> from the database and I wondered if anyone here might be able to fill in the gaps. I know that a complete list was published in Edward Moogk's "Roll Back the Years", but
>> I don't own a copy. The numbers below 216500 for which I don't have data are
>>
>> 216000 [was this used at all?], 216001, 216127, 216130, 216209, 216307, 216311,
>> 216312, 216427, 216433, 216440, 216478*
>>
>> After this point, issues became markedly less frequent. (The pace had already been
>> slowing--the series had about 147 releases in 1920 as opposed to just 31 or so in 1924.)
>> In fact, the release dates provided by the Virtual Gramophone indicate that there were no
>> new issues at all in 1926 (May 1925 is given for 216502 and July 1927 is given for 216503).
>> The numbers above 216500 that didn't turn up in my search:
>>
>> 216507, 216512-13, 216519, 216522, 216530-31, 216541-43, 216547, 216554, 216557,
>> 216562-63, 216566, 216568, 216574, 216585-86, 216588-89**
>>
>> *216492 also isn't in the database but it's a Joseph C. Smith record, Hello 'Tucky / I
>> Love You Best of All.
>>
>> **216565 only had one of its sides in the database, Sleepy Hollow Jig by A. J. Boulay.
>>
>> There are more missing numbers from the last 20 issues of the series, but I haven't quite
>> gotten to them yet. Any help with the foregoing, however, will be much appreciated!
>>
>> ~HA
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