[78-L] Greatest addicts

[Cary Ginell]

They were cherished DURING Bix's lifetime also, especially by musicians.

Cary Ginell

> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:47:40 +0200
> From: ekluwer at gmail.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Greatest addicts
> 
> Exactly : his praise is  that his records are avidly hunted for and
> cherished 80 years after his death (not to mention the tremendous influence
> on jazz playing in general) . I don't think Amy will be listened to too much
> 100 years from now....
> 
> Erwin
> 
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:38 PM, buster <busterdog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> > 1.  That there were no Grammy awards in bix's day
> >
> > 2.  That the Grammy award is commercial rather than merit-based
> >
> > On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:33 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > And she won 5 Grammys..how many did Bix win? And what does this tell you?
> > >
> > > dl
> > >
> > > On 7/23/2011 3:31 PM, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
> > >>  I agree that she was 'repellant' with her tattoos and piercings and
> > >>> general presence -- drunkenness and drugged out. To some of 'our
> > >>> generation' this is rather disgusting, but apparently not to her
> > >>> peers.
> > >>
> > >> Among the greatest (read: intake and muscial talent) drunks and drugs
> > users
> > >> were:
> > >>
> > >> Bessie Smith
> > >>
> > >> Billy Holiday
> > >>
> > >> Hank Williams
> > >>
> > >> Charlie Parker
> > >>
> > >> Johnny Cash
> > >>
> > >> Jerry Lee lewis
> > >>
> > >> Jussi Bjorling
> > >>
> > >> Charley Patton
> > >>
> > >> Son House
> > >>
> > >> Bix Beiderbecke
> > >>
> > >> Charlie Poole
> > >>
> > >> John Coltrane
> > >>
> > >> Bix Beiderbecke
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Our"   and olders generations don't seem to be bothered by it too
> > >> much...since these were all true musical geniuses..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Erwin
> > >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:12 PM, buster<busterdog at mac.com>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Not really all that different from Bix or many others. Whatever
> > greatness
> > >>> was there will be magnified by early death.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Tom<nice_guy_with_an_mba at yahoo.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> <<  To a very big extent, I think that the evil that is the music biz
> > >>>> <<  today simply chewed her up and spit her out and really didn't
> > >>>> <<  give a  rat's a$$ about her destructive nature or their part in
> > >>>> <<  sustaining it.>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All of the problems Amy Winehouse had are problems she created
> > >>>> for herself.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It would have been more appropriate and credible for her mother
> > >>>> and father to have intervened on their daughter's behalf and have
> > >>>> had Ms. Winehouse sent to rehab for some fairly extended period
> > >>>> of time rather than expecting the VP of Finance at her record label
> > >>>> to do so, though apparently even they -- i.e., her parents, not the
> > >>>> record label execs -- viewed the situation as hopeless.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If someone's really hellbent on destroying themselves it's kinda
> > >>>> hard to prevent them from doing so.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From: agp<agp2176 at verizon.net>
> > >>>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:51 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Amy Winehouse
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At 18:25 23/07/2011, CG wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> She'll be exploded into a musical media martyr now, no matter what
> > >>>>> the quality of her work was (I was not a fan; in fact, I was kind of
> > >>>>> repelled by her).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On a peer basis she was far better than drivel on the radio today.
> > >>>> One may argue that this is not saying much. I always felt that her
> > >>>> voice had a 'blues/soul/ r&b' tint to it and that with the right
> > >>>> direction could have matured to be part of many genre.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree that she was 'repellant' with her tattoos and piercings and
> > >>>> general presence -- drunkenness and drugged out. To some of 'our
> > >>>> generation' this is rather disgusting, but apparently not to her
> > >>>> peers. I have to wonder how many of us would have reacted to, say,
> > >>>> Billie Holiday, given a similar environment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To a very big extent, I think that the evil that is the music biz
> > >>>> today simply chewed her up and spit her out and really didn't give a
> > >>>> rat's a$$ about her destructive nature or their part in sustaining it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> T
> > >>>>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 78-L mailing list
> > > 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> > > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> > _______________________________________________
> > 78-L mailing list
> > 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> _______________________________________________
> 78-L mailing list
> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l