[78-L] Greatest addicts

[Erwin Kluwer]

Exactly : his praise is  that his records are avidly hunted for and
cherished 80 years after his death (not to mention the tremendous influence
on jazz playing in general) . I don't think Amy will be listened to too much
100 years from now....

Erwin

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:38 PM, buster <busterdog at mac.com> wrote:

> 1.  That there were no Grammy awards in bix's day
>
> 2.  That the Grammy award is commercial rather than merit-based
>
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:33 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > And she won 5 Grammys..how many did Bix win? And what does this tell you?
> >
> > dl
> >
> > On 7/23/2011 3:31 PM, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
> >>  I agree that she was 'repellant' with her tattoos and piercings and
> >>> general presence -- drunkenness and drugged out. To some of 'our
> >>> generation' this is rather disgusting, but apparently not to her
> >>> peers.
> >>
> >> Among the greatest (read: intake and muscial talent) drunks and drugs
> users
> >> were:
> >>
> >> Bessie Smith
> >>
> >> Billy Holiday
> >>
> >> Hank Williams
> >>
> >> Charlie Parker
> >>
> >> Johnny Cash
> >>
> >> Jerry Lee lewis
> >>
> >> Jussi Bjorling
> >>
> >> Charley Patton
> >>
> >> Son House
> >>
> >> Bix Beiderbecke
> >>
> >> Charlie Poole
> >>
> >> John Coltrane
> >>
> >> Bix Beiderbecke
> >>
> >>
> >> "Our"   and olders generations don't seem to be bothered by it too
> >> much...since these were all true musical geniuses..
> >>
> >>
> >> Erwin
> >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:12 PM, buster<busterdog at mac.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not really all that different from Bix or many others. Whatever
> greatness
> >>> was there will be magnified by early death.
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Tom<nice_guy_with_an_mba at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <<  To a very big extent, I think that the evil that is the music biz
> >>>> <<  today simply chewed her up and spit her out and really didn't
> >>>> <<  give a  rat's a$$ about her destructive nature or their part in
> >>>> <<  sustaining it.>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> All of the problems Amy Winehouse had are problems she created
> >>>> for herself.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would have been more appropriate and credible for her mother
> >>>> and father to have intervened on their daughter's behalf and have
> >>>> had Ms. Winehouse sent to rehab for some fairly extended period
> >>>> of time rather than expecting the VP of Finance at her record label
> >>>> to do so, though apparently even they -- i.e., her parents, not the
> >>>> record label execs -- viewed the situation as hopeless.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone's really hellbent on destroying themselves it's kinda
> >>>> hard to prevent them from doing so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: agp<agp2176 at verizon.net>
> >>>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:51 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Amy Winehouse
> >>>>
> >>>> At 18:25 23/07/2011, CG wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> She'll be exploded into a musical media martyr now, no matter what
> >>>>> the quality of her work was (I was not a fan; in fact, I was kind of
> >>>>> repelled by her).
> >>>>
> >>>> On a peer basis she was far better than drivel on the radio today.
> >>>> One may argue that this is not saying much. I always felt that her
> >>>> voice had a 'blues/soul/ r&b' tint to it and that with the right
> >>>> direction could have matured to be part of many genre.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree that she was 'repellant' with her tattoos and piercings and
> >>>> general presence -- drunkenness and drugged out. To some of 'our
> >>>> generation' this is rather disgusting, but apparently not to her
> >>>> peers. I have to wonder how many of us would have reacted to, say,
> >>>> Billie Holiday, given a similar environment.
> >>>>
> >>>> To a very big extent, I think that the evil that is the music biz
> >>>> today simply chewed her up and spit her out and really didn't give a
> >>>> rat's a$$ about her destructive nature or their part in sustaining it.
> >>>>
> >>>> T
> >>>>
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