[78-L] Goldkette "I Didn't Know" alternate??

[Royal Pemberton]

And Bix and the others who remembered King from Victor were mortified at the
sight of him....what now would be called a total buzzkill.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Sultanof <jeffsultanof at gmail.com>wrote:

> It sounds like dirt that was imbedded after many years of storage. Or it
> might have been deterioration.
>
> The reason the side was not issued was that Eddie King, who was recording
> supervisor at Victor for that session, hated Bix Beiderbecke's solo style,
> and told Goldkette that he was not to play for the remainder of the
> session.
> That is why Bix is not on any takes recorded after this one. This comes
> from
> Dick Sudhalter's book on Beiderbecke. Dick and I discussed this at some
> point.
>
> Ironically, when Bix showed up to the first Whiteman Columbia session, who
> do you think the recording supervisor was? The same Eddie King.
>
> Jeff Sultanof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The master that was released on LPM 2323 has a peculiar sound that lasts
> > for
> > about the first 1/3 of the recording, attributed to some kind of defect
> on
> > the master itself....at least, that is what was stated was the reason it
> > wasn't released on record in the day.  Can anyone here explain what the
> > defect really is?
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:17 PM, J. E. Knox <rojoknox at metroeast.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings from FixitLand!
> > >
> > > Julian Vein responded to my missive:
> > >
> > > >> According to EDVR, the take breakdown of matrix B 31206 is:
> > > >>
> > > >> -1 Destroyed
> > > >> -2 Master (first issued on RCA Victor LPM-2323; no 78 issue)
> > > >> -3 Destroyed
> > > >> -4 Hold
> > > >> -5 Hold
> > > >>
> > > >> If an alternate did actually exist, it would have to be -4 or -5,
> and
> > > >> Bix isn't on those takes. "Bix--Man And Legend" reports that he was
> > > >> on only the first two takes. (EDVR also states for take 2, "Victor
> > > >> ledgers: 'N. L.'" -- which can only mean "Not Listed.")
> > > >
> > > > I think what they saying is that they produced two titles, rather
> than
> > > > two takes of each. The new ADBD only lists take -2.
> > >
> > > I'm not quite sure what you mean here, Julian. "They produced two
> > > titles" --? Only one title (of the three cut that day) is being
> > > discussed here, and five takes of it were made. The YouTube poster
> > > claimed it was an alternate, but as a US resident I can't view it.
> > > What I'm wondering is only if the video contains an actual alternate
> > > or just the well-known take 2.
> > >
> > > ADBD shows only -2 because that was the only known issued take -- and
> > > that on LP. Had no take at all been issued, the listing would've read
> > > "31206-1-2-3-4-5" and "Vic rejected".
> > >
> > > "I Didn't Know," "I Want To See My Tennessee" and "Remember" were cut
> > > 24 November 1924. (Take 4 of the middle title and Take 3 of the
> > > latter issued on Victor 19548.)
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > --
> > > "MMEEOOWW!!"--Douglas Fur and Kimberly Fur
> > >
> > > (Today is Dougie's 10th birthday!)
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