[78-L] Goldkette "I Didn't Know" alternate??

[Jeff Sultanof]

It sounds like dirt that was imbedded after many years of storage. Or it
might have been deterioration.

The reason the side was not issued was that Eddie King, who was recording
supervisor at Victor for that session, hated Bix Beiderbecke's solo style,
and told Goldkette that he was not to play for the remainder of the session.
That is why Bix is not on any takes recorded after this one. This comes from
Dick Sudhalter's book on Beiderbecke. Dick and I discussed this at some
point.

Ironically, when Bix showed up to the first Whiteman Columbia session, who
do you think the recording supervisor was? The same Eddie King.

Jeff Sultanof



On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The master that was released on LPM 2323 has a peculiar sound that lasts
> for
> about the first 1/3 of the recording, attributed to some kind of defect on
> the master itself....at least, that is what was stated was the reason it
> wasn't released on record in the day.  Can anyone here explain what the
> defect really is?
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:17 PM, J. E. Knox <rojoknox at metroeast.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings from FixitLand!
> >
> > Julian Vein responded to my missive:
> >
> > >> According to EDVR, the take breakdown of matrix B 31206 is:
> > >>
> > >> -1 Destroyed
> > >> -2 Master (first issued on RCA Victor LPM-2323; no 78 issue)
> > >> -3 Destroyed
> > >> -4 Hold
> > >> -5 Hold
> > >>
> > >> If an alternate did actually exist, it would have to be -4 or -5, and
> > >> Bix isn't on those takes. "Bix--Man And Legend" reports that he was
> > >> on only the first two takes. (EDVR also states for take 2, "Victor
> > >> ledgers: 'N. L.'" -- which can only mean "Not Listed.")
> > >
> > > I think what they saying is that they produced two titles, rather than
> > > two takes of each. The new ADBD only lists take -2.
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what you mean here, Julian. "They produced two
> > titles" --? Only one title (of the three cut that day) is being
> > discussed here, and five takes of it were made. The YouTube poster
> > claimed it was an alternate, but as a US resident I can't view it.
> > What I'm wondering is only if the video contains an actual alternate
> > or just the well-known take 2.
> >
> > ADBD shows only -2 because that was the only known issued take -- and
> > that on LP. Had no take at all been issued, the listing would've read
> > "31206-1-2-3-4-5" and "Vic rejected".
> >
> > "I Didn't Know," "I Want To See My Tennessee" and "Remember" were cut
> > 24 November 1924. (Take 4 of the middle title and Take 3 of the
> > latter issued on Victor 19548.)
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> >
> > Joe
> > --
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> >
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