[78-L] Goldkette "I Didn't Know" alternate??

[David Lennick]

As long as he got to play his little cymbal, he was a happy man.

Wasn't the noise from a corroded metal part? I don't have the original lp but I 
remember the explanation being something along that line.

dl

On 4/19/2011 5:29 PM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
> And Bix and the others who remembered King from Victor were mortified at the
> sight of him....what now would be called a total buzzkill.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Sultanof<jeffsultanof at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It sounds like dirt that was imbedded after many years of storage. Or it
>> might have been deterioration.
>>
>> The reason the side was not issued was that Eddie King, who was recording
>> supervisor at Victor for that session, hated Bix Beiderbecke's solo style,
>> and told Goldkette that he was not to play for the remainder of the
>> session.
>> That is why Bix is not on any takes recorded after this one. This comes
>> from
>> Dick Sudhalter's book on Beiderbecke. Dick and I discussed this at some
>> point.
>>
>> Ironically, when Bix showed up to the first Whiteman Columbia session, who
>> do you think the recording supervisor was? The same Eddie King.
>>
>> Jeff Sultanof
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Royal Pemberton<ampex354 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The master that was released on LPM 2323 has a peculiar sound that lasts
>>> for
>>> about the first 1/3 of the recording, attributed to some kind of defect
>> on
>>> the master itself....at least, that is what was stated was the reason it
>>> wasn't released on record in the day.  Can anyone here explain what the
>>> defect really is?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:17 PM, J. E. Knox<rojoknox at metroeast.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings from FixitLand!
>>>>
>>>> Julian Vein responded to my missive:
>>>>
>>>>>> According to EDVR, the take breakdown of matrix B 31206 is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -1 Destroyed
>>>>>> -2 Master (first issued on RCA Victor LPM-2323; no 78 issue)
>>>>>> -3 Destroyed
>>>>>> -4 Hold
>>>>>> -5 Hold
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If an alternate did actually exist, it would have to be -4 or -5,
>> and
>>>>>> Bix isn't on those takes. "Bix--Man And Legend" reports that he was
>>>>>> on only the first two takes. (EDVR also states for take 2, "Victor
>>>>>> ledgers: 'N. L.'" -- which can only mean "Not Listed.")
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what they saying is that they produced two titles, rather
>> than
>>>>> two takes of each. The new ADBD only lists take -2.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite sure what you mean here, Julian. "They produced two
>>>> titles" --? Only one title (of the three cut that day) is being
>>>> discussed here, and five takes of it were made. The YouTube poster
>>>> claimed it was an alternate, but as a US resident I can't view it.
>>>> What I'm wondering is only if the video contains an actual alternate
>>>> or just the well-known take 2.
>>>>
>>>> ADBD shows only -2 because that was the only known issued take -- and
>>>> that on LP. Had no take at all been issued, the listing would've read
>>>> "31206-1-2-3-4-5" and "Vic rejected".
>>>>
>>>> "I Didn't Know," "I Want To See My Tennessee" and "Remember" were cut
>>>> 24 November 1924. (Take 4 of the middle title and Take 3 of the
>>>> latter issued on Victor 19548.)
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe