[78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet

[DanKj]

  Don Rayno notes the following keys from Grofe's arrangement:  C-minor / B-minor / E-flat minor 


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From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
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> On 2/25/2011 6:07 PM, Tim Huskisson wrote:
>> I can't comment of the technicalities of the film - but the audio needs to
>> be in the key of D (B minor - first chord of Chorus) for Bing and the Rhythm
>> Boys' vocal section.
>> That is the Key for the vocal section on the Columbia record version, and I
>> doubt if the Key would have been changed by one semitone for the record.
> 
> How do you know what the proper speed of the Columbia record is?????
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
>> That film clip usually plays in Eb (C minor), and I agree with the YouTube
>> poster that it's probably too fast. But ONLY by one semitone; NOT the
>> whole-tone he has ended up with on the Youtube clip.
>> There may have been some confusion because the record does actually begin in
>> Eb, and the sudden drop of one semitone to D for the verse before the vocal
>> may not be so obvious to some ears. However, the film version is in one key
>> from beginning to end of Bing's chorus, and logically the soundtrack to the
>> film should begin in D.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tim Huskisson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Michael Biel
>> Sent: 25 February 2011 21:39
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>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet
>>
>> On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, DanKj wrote:
>>>    Now, here's a new sensation:  A Vitaphone disc from KING OF JAZZ, which
>> someone has decided needs to be slowed down around 10% to match the picture.
>> Problem is, the picture is from a surviving sound-on-film print, and isn't
>> the same length that a 1930 Vitaphone print would have been.
>>
>> If I remember correctly, that Technicolor print was discovered in
>> Europe.  Does anyone know the history of the video transfer of that
>> print??  Remember, European TV is 25 Frames Per Second and they tend to
>> transfer films at that 25 rate instead of 24.  If it was done that way,
>> the film and track is 4% fast!  Yes that disc is a dub from the optical
>> soundtrack, but it has to run at 33 1/3 RPM to match the 24 frames
>> projection rate used in theaters.  I'd trust the disc unless there is an
>> actual film print which could be run in a calibrated 24 frame projector.
>>
>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>     Hear The Rhythm Boys slog through molasses, a drunken MC, and some
>> stranger dubbing for Paul Whiteman!  You'd think this would have been
>> noticed by the record's owner, but no.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDGdVvQjUY
>>
> 
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