[78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet

[Tim Huskisson]

Re. "Don Rayno notes the following keys from Grofe's arrangement:  C-minor /
B-minor / E-flat minor"

Yes, that is correct. C minor is the relative minor of Eb major. (1st
Instrumental chorus), B minor is the relative minor of D major (Vocal verse
and chorus), and Eb minor is the relative minor of Gb major. 'Relative' =
same key signature. Just because a piece of music begins on a Minor chord
does not mean it is in a minor key. I think Grofe would have said 'Eb major'
and not 'C minor'. But the audible result is the same.
Sorry to bore you all with Music theory. But it's important and relevant in
this case.

To answer Mike Biel's question; Compare with other sessions recorded at the
same location, soon before or after. Check Keys, etc, and use knowledge of
music and capabilities and limitations of musical instruments to know what
is likely, unlikely, or impossible(!). Compare also with contemporary
versions. It's worth noting that versions by Frankie Trumbauer, Jack Hylton,
Horace Henderson, Billy Cotton, Rhythmic Eight etc, also all begin in Eb (C
minor). 

The bigger point I was trying to make, was the sudden semitone drop to D (B
minor) for the vocal chorus - which is why I think the movie soundtrack for
this section should be fixed to this key. 

Regards
Tim Huskisson


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of DanKj
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  Don Rayno notes the following keys from Grofe's arrangement:  C-minor /
B-minor / E-flat minor 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet


> On 2/25/2011 6:07 PM, Tim Huskisson wrote:
>> I can't comment of the technicalities of the film - but the audio needs
to
>> be in the key of D (B minor - first chord of Chorus) for Bing and the
Rhythm
>> Boys' vocal section.
>> That is the Key for the vocal section on the Columbia record version, and
I
>> doubt if the Key would have been changed by one semitone for the record.
> 
> How do you know what the proper speed of the Columbia record is?????
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
>> That film clip usually plays in Eb (C minor), and I agree with the
YouTube
>> poster that it's probably too fast. But ONLY by one semitone; NOT the
>> whole-tone he has ended up with on the Youtube clip.
>> There may have been some confusion because the record does actually begin
in
>> Eb, and the sudden drop of one semitone to D for the verse before the
vocal
>> may not be so obvious to some ears. However, the film version is in one
key
>> from beginning to end of Bing's chorus, and logically the soundtrack to
the
>> film should begin in D.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tim Huskisson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Michael Biel
>> Sent: 25 February 2011 21:39
>> To: 78-L Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet
>>
>> On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, DanKj wrote:
>>>    Now, here's a new sensation:  A Vitaphone disc from KING OF JAZZ,
which
>> someone has decided needs to be slowed down around 10% to match the
picture.
>> Problem is, the picture is from a surviving sound-on-film print, and
isn't
>> the same length that a 1930 Vitaphone print would have been.
>>
>> If I remember correctly, that Technicolor print was discovered in
>> Europe.  Does anyone know the history of the video transfer of that
>> print??  Remember, European TV is 25 Frames Per Second and they tend to
>> transfer films at that 25 rate instead of 24.  If it was done that way,
>> the film and track is 4% fast!  Yes that disc is a dub from the optical
>> soundtrack, but it has to run at 33 1/3 RPM to match the 24 frames
>> projection rate used in theaters.  I'd trust the disc unless there is an
>> actual film print which could be run in a calibrated 24 frame projector.
>>
>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>     Hear The Rhythm Boys slog through molasses, a drunken MC, and some
>> stranger dubbing for Paul Whiteman!  You'd think this would have been
>> noticed by the record's owner, but no.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDGdVvQjUY
>>
> 
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