[78-L] Speeds and Somewhat Less Than Happy Feet

[Michael Biel]

On 2/25/2011 6:07 PM, Tim Huskisson wrote:
> I can't comment of the technicalities of the film - but the audio needs to
> be in the key of D (B minor - first chord of Chorus) for Bing and the Rhythm
> Boys' vocal section.
> That is the Key for the vocal section on the Columbia record version, and I
> doubt if the Key would have been changed by one semitone for the record.

How do you know what the proper speed of the Columbia record is?????

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com

> That film clip usually plays in Eb (C minor), and I agree with the YouTube
> poster that it's probably too fast. But ONLY by one semitone; NOT the
> whole-tone he has ended up with on the Youtube clip.
> There may have been some confusion because the record does actually begin in
> Eb, and the sudden drop of one semitone to D for the verse before the vocal
> may not be so obvious to some ears. However, the film version is in one key
> from beginning to end of Bing's chorus, and logically the soundtrack to the
> film should begin in D.
>
> Regards
> Tim Huskisson
>
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> On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, DanKj wrote:
>>    Now, here's a new sensation:  A Vitaphone disc from KING OF JAZZ, which
> someone has decided needs to be slowed down around 10% to match the picture.
> Problem is, the picture is from a surviving sound-on-film print, and isn't
> the same length that a 1930 Vitaphone print would have been.
>
> If I remember correctly, that Technicolor print was discovered in
> Europe.  Does anyone know the history of the video transfer of that
> print??  Remember, European TV is 25 Frames Per Second and they tend to
> transfer films at that 25 rate instead of 24.  If it was done that way,
> the film and track is 4% fast!  Yes that disc is a dub from the optical
> soundtrack, but it has to run at 33 1/3 RPM to match the 24 frames
> projection rate used in theaters.  I'd trust the disc unless there is an
> actual film print which could be run in a calibrated 24 frame projector.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>     Hear The Rhythm Boys slog through molasses, a drunken MC, and some
> stranger dubbing for Paul Whiteman!  You'd think this would have been
> noticed by the record's owner, but no.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDGdVvQjUY
>