[78-L] Pre-bop [was Five Faves]

[simmonssomer]

I just played it. It was Jefferson to my ears. Although his solo was 
original and ahead of its time
I cannot hear anything in it that I consider to be a precursor of the 
revolutionary rhythm, substitutions, harmonics or extended chords
of bop. I'm obviously not a musician and I hope I'm using some terminology 
that fits the subject. I don't really
know enough to give you a more musically educated opinion but I know what 
bop sounds like and to me, Jefferson's solo was not.

Al S.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Milan P Milovanovic" <milanpmilovanovic4 at gmail.com>
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>I thought about "New Orleans Shout".
>
> I'm sorry that there is no mention of matrix numbers in my CD issue, so I
> can give you personnel only:
> King Oliver, Dave Nelson, Jimmy Archey (tb), Glyn Paqe (cl, as), Hilton
> Jefferson (as), unknown (ts), Don Frey (p), unknown (g), Arthur Taylor
> (bnjo), Clinton Walter (tu), Fred Moore (d).
>
> Also, you can get it here: http://files.mail.ru/TM1IK2
>
> Mentioned solo is from 0:46 - 1:25
>
> Thanks for listening and comparing.
>
> Milan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "simmonssomer" <simmonssomer at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:47 PM
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>
>
>> OK. I have all three titles from that date. Which one are you referring
>> to?
>> I'd like to give it a listen.
>> If you're right we have a real find.
>> One of them "Everybody Does It In Hawaii" was recorded twice.
>> First time on 12/30/29  Mx. 58338-1 and released on Vic V-38109
>> then again on 1/15/30  Mx 55338-4 and also released on Vic V-38109.
>> If this is the title you were referring to do we know which take I should
>> listen to? I have both.
>> Same strange thing on "Frankie and Johnny."  Mx 58339-2-3 on 12/30/29 Vic
>> V-38109 and another listed as
>> Mx 58339 -4 on 1/15/30 also on Victor  V38109.  although Rust indicates
>> that
>> there was no Mx 58339 "DESPITE THE LABEL"
>> Strange things were happening.
>> Or mebbe you mean the other title from 12/30/29 "New Orleans Shout" ?? Mx
>> 58340-1  Vic 23388
>> Let me know and I'll give it a spin. (another colloquialism from my
>> bottomless reservoir of Americana.)
>>
>> Al Simmons
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Milan P Milovanovic" <milanpmilovanovic4 at gmail.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:58 AM
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>>
>>
>>> To my ears, first bop solo played Hilton Jefferson or Glyn Paque (King
>>> Oliver's Band) Dec. 30, 1929.
>>>
>>> First rate alto solo, ahead of its time for about ten years.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julian Vein" <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Pre-bop [was Five Faves]
>>>
>>>
>>>> simmonssomer wrote:
>>>>> I have  a 1942 line check of the Jay McCann band from the Savoy
>>>>> Ballroom.
>>>>> On "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles" Charlie Parker blows an unmistakeable
>>>>> Be-bop solo for
>>>>> mebbe four choruses. It is not an experimental bit of beta blowing.
>>>>> It is a full fledged, finely burnished bop creation.. I don't know
>>>>> exactly
>>>>> what Diz was blowing in the summer of 1942 but
>>>>> it may be that Bird was there first with the most even if it was not
>>>>> under
>>>>> his own name.
>>>>> It's on LP only but still is one of my top five.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Simmons
>>>> ==========
>>>> My copy on CD has bad wow which detracts seriously from enjoying the
>>>> performance.
>>>>
>>>> Try pianist Frank Smith's playing on the Jimmie Noone session at the 
>>>> Yes
>>>> Yes Club, Chicago, July 17, 1941. Bud Powell before Bud Powell.
>>>>
>>>>      Julian Vein
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