[78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC

[simmonssomer]

Luckily I have a decent amount of Benedetti material on reel to reel. About 
twenty years ago our good friend Schaap did a
seven day omnibus broadcast of Charlie Parker material and used a good dose 
of Benedetti material in it.
As my deck was turning  I got a lot of it. Also, lucked into b'cast material 
from Minton's, originally from remotes by the station in 1941.
I don't really remember all of Schaap's sources on the Benedettis but the 
Mintons still  reside in the WKCR archives.

Al S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC


> Now if we could mix the Newman and Benedetti recordings....!
>
> dl
>
> On 11/12/2010 3:18 PM, Dan Van Landingham wrote:
>> That was the story as I remember it;any corrections are greatly 
>> appreciated.I
>> want to say I read of it via
>> Ira Gitler's 1966 book "Jazz Masters of the Forties" but I could be 
>> wrong.I
>> haven't read it in many years.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Royal Pemberton<ampex354 at gmail.com>
>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 7:31:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>>
>> I hadn't heard of this Jerry Newman and his anti-Parker recordings; I'd 
>> only
>> heard of Dean Benedetti who did the opposite, he only recorded when 
>> Parker
>> soloed....
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Dan Van Landingham<
>> danvanlandingham at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not familiar with those other selections.Where can I get those
>>> tracks?As I
>>> stated previously,what I
>>> had was on Springboard and the album had about 8 tracks.I bought it here 
>>> in
>>> North Bend in the early
>>> '80s when they had PayLess Drugs which is now defunct.I gave around a
>>> dollar for
>>> it as I recall.On the
>>> cover were the names "Charlie Christian" amd "Dizzy Gillespie".On "Guy's
>>> Got to
>>> Go",you can hear N-
>>> ick Fenton playing harmony with Byas on baritone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simmonssomer<simmonssomer at comcast.net>
>>> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 12:55:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>>>
>>> It was Monk  with Joe Guy , Kenny Clarke, Don Byas on "I Can't Give You
>>> Anything But Love"; "Rhythm Riff" "Nice Work If You Can Get It".that I 
>>> know
>>> of.
>>> It was Ken Kersey with Guy and Byas on "Kerouac, Exactly Like You and
>>> "Indiana."
>>> On"Topsy" it was Monk, Charlie Christian and Joe Guy.
>>> Fortunately, many of these broadcasts from Minton's were recorded by
>>> Columbia University's pioneer FM station from whose facilities these
>>> b'casts
>>> originated.. Call letters now WKCR, but I believe that in Fall of 1941 
>>> this
>>> station, the first FM station in the country (if I'm nnot mistaken ), 
>>> had
>>> call letters with an X in there somewhere as it was "experimental."
>>> Anyway in the fall of 1941 these extensive b'casts featured the "Joe
>>> Guy-Kenny Clarke Band " featuring Thelonious Monk. The bassistt was Nick
>>> Fenton.
>>> All still in the WKCR archives and are played once in a while by Phil
>>> Schaap. I have the titles on some of these b'casts for anyone 
>>> researching
>>> the birth of the Bop period.
>>>
>>> Al Simmons
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Lewis"<uncledavelewis at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "78-l"<78-l at 78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:34 AM
>>> Subject: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Van Landingham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [Joe} Guy and [Billie] Holiday were together when she went to prison in
>>>> 1947.Guy appearantly led her 1945 big  band.He vanished after 1947;I
>>> don't
>>>> know what ever became of him.The only recorded work I ever heard by him
>>>> was Cootie Williams' 1942 Columbia recording of "Fly Right" a/k/a
>>>> "Epistrophy" which was unissued until 1966(on the Columbia LP "The 
>>>> Sound
>>>> of Harlem" according to Ira Gitler)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> Joe Guy is one of the trumpets in the jam band led by Charlie Christian
>>> in
>>>> the Minton's Playhouse recordings made by Jerry Newman in 1941. Lips 
>>>> Page
>>>> is one of the other trumpets, but from what I understand it is Guy that
>>>> plays the majority of the solos in those sessions. If so, he was a very
>>>> good player in the swing style. I have never encountered information
>>>> indicating what happened to him either.
>>>>
>>>> It is also said that Thelonious Monk is the pianist on some sides, 
>>>> though
>>>> this is disputed. To my ears, the pianist said to be Monk doesn't sound
>>>> anything like him, even bearing in mind that in 1941 he is also said to
>>>> have sounded more like Teddy Wilson than his mature self.
>>>>
>>>> Uncle Dave Lewis
>>>> uncledavelewis at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________
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