[78-L] Gennett Art Tone

[Malcolm Rockwell]

On 10/29/2010 9:22 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> There are evidently 2 Art Tone labels:
> 1 - red ring label (ART TONE in small print), with 2-line rim text
> 2 - hexagonal label; Richmond Indiana.
>
If you have hexagonal labels they have to be very rare.
All the regular scroll Gennett labels I've ever seen are sextagonal (6 
sided).

> The first one I see on 10030, 12503, 14001&  15000.
> The 2nd label only in the 14000 series (14001/03/04 seen).
> All these 12500/14000 series records by Helen Ware.

Ah hah! So these series are either an afterthought or a "collection" of 
Ware's records using those issue numbers/label. Most of the regular ring 
labels are in in blue with gold lettering. VERY hard to read sometimes.

> 14001 1st version exists even with 2 label types: one ha price as
> $1.35 in USA / $1.50 in Canada, and on the other the Canadian price is
> listed first. Note that this label shows LATERAL below logo.
> 14003 2nd type (1st type(s)) not seen) also has 2 price variants:
> one has USA&  Canada prices, the other gives only $1.35.
> This suggest regular repressings. Is it possible that this is a private series,
> used for only a single artist?

Yes, I think so. See above.

> 15000 by Auguste Bouilliez gives $1.50 USA / $1.75 Canada. Maybe 12" ??
> I have seen no other issues in the 12000&  15000 series (and 13xxx prob not used?).

The 13000 issue series were used Art-Tone records, too. There were all 
of 5 issues.
And there were only 2 issues in the 13500 series. Both series were 12" 
records.
The 12500 series went from 12501 to 12504 - 4 issues. They were 10" records.
> Some issues in the 10000 series state "Songs Of Carnegie Institute" (10052 plaid label)
> or "Songs of Ohio State University" (10045) and may be custom pressings?

Yes, they were. Why they were outside the 20000 Personal Series I do not 
know. BTW, there are plenty of Personal Series records with no issue 
numbers at all.
Thanks for the 2 pix!
Aloha to you,
Mal
> *******
>>>> I have the same label scan, Han. It would indeed appear that there are
> two 10000 series. The blue label in our scans is the early,
> pre-sextagonal, single ring circular label. The other 10000 series is
> Gennett Art-Tone and they have different material. Nailing down  the
> blue ring label10000 series has proved to be shaky because of lack of
> documentation - the Art-Tones have been a bit easier, but not much! I
> believe all of Ty's material came from (SF) Steve Abrams research. Next
> I speak with him I'll ask about this.
>
> The 20000 series numbers from the runouts of Dave's version of Ge 4670
> are what are puzzling me. I thought they might be consecutive Pathe
> issues. They're not.
>
> And the Art-Tone Gennetts I've seen are all 14000s, with the exception
> of 12503 A/B which is Swanee River and and Gentle Shadows (the scans are
> really lousy but I do have these titles in my database) both by Helen
> Ware. Having a 10030 issue on Art-Tone further confuses things.
>
> Mal
>
> *******
>
> On 10/29/2010 6:16 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> We are awaiting Mal finishing his morning coffee, and then his bright mind......
>>
>> I have a label image of Gnt 10015-A which is:
>> Gennett Band: Shim-Me-Sha-Wabble - $1.00 (blue label).
>>
>> This is very different from 10015 in Ty's list, showing
>>         10015 ETHEL TOMS ONLY A LITTLE WORD G01432 GE9080+ - - (-)
>>         10015 ROBERT CARR&   ETHEL TOMS SO NEAR THE KINGDOM G01410! - - - -
>>
>>
>> Images of 10019 (Elliott Shaw) agreeing with Ty have a normal green label.
>> 10030 by Frederic Martin on red Gnt Art Tone again differs from Ty's list.
>> So there were 2 Gnt 10000 series?
>>
>> Han Enderman
>> ===
>> Further confusion..here it is as 10009.
>> http://www.78discography.com/GNT10000.htm
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 10/29/2010 10:23 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> Hmm..per Ty's site, 4670 should be
>>>
>>> 4670 	ALEX PRINCE 	BELPHIGOR MARCH 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-
>>> 4670 	Signor FROSINI 	AMOUREUSE WALTZ (accordion 	- 	- 	- 	- 	Signor Frosini
>>>
>>> So maybe this is a Canadian (Starr Gennett) number. Kinda confusing.
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2010 12:51 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> Gennett 4670, as "G. Penrose" but undoubtedly Charles Penrose: "How We Laugh"
>>>> b/w "The Cigar Girl". What's the source of this? Numbers (matrix?) 20492 and
>>>> 20493 appear in the runout. "Cigar Girl" was done for Beka in 1912 and again in
>>>> 1923 on Pathe 10523, both backed with other laughing songs.
>>>>
>>>> dl
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