[78-L] Gennett Art Tone

[Han Enderman]

There are evidently 2 Art Tone labels:
1 - red ring label (ART TONE in small print), with 2-line rim text
2 - hexagonal label; Richmond Indiana.

The first one I see on 10030, 12503, 14001 & 15000.
The 2nd label only in the 14000 series (14001/03/04 seen).
All these 12500/14000 series records by Helen Ware.
14001 1st version exists even with 2 label types: one ha price as
$1.35 in USA / $1.50 in Canada, and on the other the Canadian price is 
listed first. Note that this label shows LATERAL below logo.
14003 2nd type (1st type(s)) not seen) also has 2 price variants:
one has USA & Canada prices, the other gives only $1.35.
This suggest regular repressings. Is it possible that this is a private series,
used for only a single artist?
15000 by Auguste Bouilliez gives $1.50 USA / $1.75 Canada. Maybe 12" ??
I have seen no other issues in the 12000 & 15000 series (and 13xxx prob not used?).

Some issues in the 10000 series state "Songs Of Carnegie Institute" (10052 plaid label)
or "Songs of Ohio State University" (10045) and may be custom pressings?

Han Enderman
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>>> I have the same label scan, Han. It would indeed appear that there are 
two 10000 series. The blue label in our scans is the early, 
pre-sextagonal, single ring circular label. The other 10000 series is 
Gennett Art-Tone and they have different material. Nailing down  the 
blue ring label10000 series has proved to be shaky because of lack of 
documentation - the Art-Tones have been a bit easier, but not much! I 
believe all of Ty's material came from (SF) Steve Abrams research. Next 
I speak with him I'll ask about this.

The 20000 series numbers from the runouts of Dave's version of Ge 4670 
are what are puzzling me. I thought they might be consecutive Pathe 
issues. They're not.

And the Art-Tone Gennetts I've seen are all 14000s, with the exception 
of 12503 A/B which is Swanee River and and Gentle Shadows (the scans are 
really lousy but I do have these titles in my database) both by Helen 
Ware. Having a 10030 issue on Art-Tone further confuses things.

Mal

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On 10/29/2010 6:16 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> We are awaiting Mal finishing his morning coffee, and then his bright mind......
>
> I have a label image of Gnt 10015-A which is:
> Gennett Band: Shim-Me-Sha-Wabble - $1.00 (blue label).
>
> This is very different from 10015 in Ty's list, showing
>        10015 ETHEL TOMS ONLY A LITTLE WORD G01432 GE9080+ - - (-)
>        10015 ROBERT CARR&  ETHEL TOMS SO NEAR THE KINGDOM G01410! - - - -
>
>
> Images of 10019 (Elliott Shaw) agreeing with Ty have a normal green label.
> 10030 by Frederic Martin on red Gnt Art Tone again differs from Ty's list.
> So there were 2 Gnt 10000 series?
>
> Han Enderman
> ===
> Further confusion..here it is as 10009.
> http://www.78discography.com/GNT10000.htm
>
> dl
>
> On 10/29/2010 10:23 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>> Hmm..per Ty's site, 4670 should be
>>
>> 4670 	ALEX PRINCE 	BELPHIGOR MARCH 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-
>> 4670 	Signor FROSINI 	AMOUREUSE WALTZ (accordion 	- 	- 	- 	- 	Signor Frosini
>>
>> So maybe this is a Canadian (Starr Gennett) number. Kinda confusing.
>>
>> On 10/29/2010 12:51 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> Gennett 4670, as "G. Penrose" but undoubtedly Charles Penrose: "How We Laugh"
>>> b/w "The Cigar Girl". What's the source of this? Numbers (matrix?) 20492 and
>>> 20493 appear in the runout. "Cigar Girl" was done for Beka in 1912 and again in
>>> 1923 on Pathe 10523, both backed with other laughing songs.
>>>
>>> dl
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