[78-L] Columbia blue on white labels, revisited

[David Lennick]

Ruby Helder isn't in the Entertainment Discography nor Rust's Music Hall on 
Record. She was a female tenor who sang light operatic and concert songs, came 
from England, toured the US, made some recordings for Columbia in NY some of 
which have no issue numbers but which could have been issued in England. It's 
not entirely impossible that 2938 is a Ruby Helder song on one side and a 
reissue of a Joe Hayman Regal on the other, and that Canadian Columbia picked 
up the Hayman side..wonder what's on its reverse?

dl

On 8/22/2010 4:03 PM, David Lennick wrote:
> Thanks..I've forwarded the images to Jack. that 2938 doesn't make any sense at
> all if the English Columbia # is Ruby Helder, UNLESS the unknown side is Cohen.
> Right vintage. Also, the original title is "Cohen is Arrested for Exceeding the
> Speed Limit", and that's the title on the pressing I have (which is among the
> "not yet unpacked" stuff).
>
> dl
>
> On 8/22/2010 3:40 PM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> I have only 3 16000-D images (16027/36/62) and will mail these. 16027 = New
>> Princes' Toronto Band.
>>
>> The English cat.nr seemed a good suggestion, but multicolor Co(C) 2938 is
>> pres. not Co(E) 2938,
>> which is by Ruby Helder (on the one known side). Co(E) 2974 is by Jolson,
>> recd Jan 1920, and
>> a 1919 release seems too late for the Co(C) 2938.
>>
>> Han Enderman
>> ===
>>>>> 2938 (Cohen) sounds like an English catalogue number. I know I have it,
>>>>> but not
>> to hand, and Rust lists it as Regal G-7066.
>>
>> I've seen a few P-series discs with regular blue labels, including Midnight
>> Attack and Arrival Of The Troops. I also have a multi-colour pressing of
>> Midnight Attack with the wrong piece of music..easily detected since it's
>> much
>> shorter than the real side. It's another Prince's Band piece, and probably
>> nobody noticed the difference.
>>
>> Han, do you have any information on a later Columbia series issued in
>> Canada,
>> 16000-D? Jack Litchfield is compiling a list of these and with no catalogues
>> or
>> print ads, identifying them is a matter of finding them and reporting them
>> whenever they turn up. Most are electrical and from English and French
>> masters,
>> although I've turned up one acoustical one. Pressings are from about 1930
>> into
>> the early 30s.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 8/22/2010 8:36 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>>> I have images of both label types for Co(C) P-10, Prince's Band: The
>>> Midnight Attack/...Tipperary.
>>> Both 85c. Multicolor label with double (!) Note the Notes logo at left&
>>> right of spindle hole.
>>>
>>> P-11 is a single-sided multicolor issue, mentioning Price 85c, but with
>>> notice on reverse:
>>> sold for 30c as sample for advertising.
>>> This is Prince's Military Band: Land Of The Maple (recording date / US
>>> issue ?)
>>>
>>> I have multicolor label images of (1 or both sides of) P-10, 11, 15, 25,
>>> 33, 35. Is full range known?
>>> Also multicolor 2938: "Cohen is arrested for speeding", by Joe Hayman.
>>> What is this nr?
>>>
>>> The Note the Notes logo was used in US in 1917 (I guess ca. Dec 1916 - Aug
>>> 1917), and then
>>> replaced by the Grafonola top logo.
>>> Are release dates for this Canadian series known? Is it possible that the
>>> Note the Notes logo
>>> was used in Canada before its use in the US?
>>> Possibly the blue-white label was a 2nd pressing, combining features of
>>> the multicolor label
>>> and the US Note the Notes label design ?
>>>
>>> The P-11 notice says: "Other Columbia Double-Disc Records range in price
>>> up to $7.50 and
>>> include a magnificent series of Grand Opera records...".
>>> Anyone knows examples of such expensive records?
>>>
>>> Han Enderman
>>> ===
>>>>>> I found another Canadian Columbia from the mid 1910s with a monochrome
>>>>>> label,
>>> white with blue print. I doubt that it's a custom pressing, more likely
>>> from a period when materials might have been in short supply for some
>>> reason.
>>> And by coincidence I came across the same disc with a normal label,
>>> also a Canadian issue. It's a pretty common record,
>>> Arrival Of the British Troops In France, Columbia P-23 in the Patriotic
>>> Series
>>> (did this have a US issue?) from British matrices 29160 and (unreadable).
>>> The
>>> full color label, which is also on a white background, has a big Union
>>> Jack at
>>> the top between "Columbia" and "Record" and the blue-on-white label has a
>>> "Note
>>> the Notes" logo in that spot. Slight differences in the pressings (matrix
>>> numbers showing or not showing, ring inside the last groove or not etc).
>>> But it
>>> does suggest that other discs were pressed with this odd style label.
>>>
>>> dl
>>> ---
>>> US issue is Columbia A-1672.
>>> <<<
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