[78-L] Columbia sublabels [was MGM-Supertone connection?]

[Michael Biel]

From: stevenc at interlinks.net  (10:29 PM Eastern)
 >>have we actually established that all the "private" labels pressed by 
Columbia
 >> for various clients were numbered separately, rather than Columbia
 >> having used a xxxx-P series covering all such labels? Does anyone
 >> own examples of two such labels using the same -P number for
 >> different records? There records are rare enough that most of us
 >> only own a handful of them; this might require ALL of us listing the
 >> applicable records we own...?!  Steven C. Barr

David Lennick wrote:
 > To repeat (for the third time, actually)..I have 1047-P on both 
Publix and Metro
 > Goldwyn Mayer and both are "Tiptoe Thru the Tulips" b/w "Painting the 
Clouds with Sunshine",

Steve, if you would check the thread postings in reverse order so you 
would see what questions have already been answered by the time you join 
in, you would have seen Lennik's notation of one example of a Publix and 
Metro with the same number and coupling, and you would have seen Han's 
list of ten Special Records, eighteen MGM, and sixteen Publix 
numbers--about half of the series--with no overlapping--from label 
images he has.  Han posted this list FOURTEEN HOURS before you asked the 
questions already mostly answered.  If you come into a discussion late, 
check the threads in reverse order like the rest of us and build on the 
discussion instead of taking us back to the beginning.

>>>From images (all suffixed -P):
- [Columbia] Special Record 1001/02/03/08/11/12/13/36/77/86.
- M-G-M 1010/30/32/33/35/38/73/74/75/76/78/79/81/84/88/90/92/93.
- Publix 1015/17/19/23/40/41/47/55/56/58/62/63/65; 2008/19/20.


It was good info you gave relating Ty's listings to Abrams -- and that 
maybe it was Abrams who made the mistake -- but Ty is the one who can 
fix it now and I look forward to seeing this listing with the correct 
label names that could now  be continued to be built upon as other 
copies come to light. 

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com 

Han Enderman wrote:  6:53 AM Eastern
> I assume that the original reference to Supertone is a reading error.
> Rust (JR & ADBD) lists only 2 Teddy Joyce titles, ...Sam/Gotta..., 
> on Har 1009-H and SR 1072-P, and Gotta also on SR 1076-P.
> Apparently SR was interpreted as Supertone, instead of (Columbia) Special Record.
> So there is no relation between Supertone and (old) M-G-M & Publix.
>
> The odd thing is that Rust does not attempt to show the real label names, but uses the
> general identification "SR".
> I have numerous label images in the (Co) 1000-P series, and have found no numerical 
> duplicates on these client labels. 
> There seems to be a single 1xxx-P series, with each cat.nr used only on a single client label.
> First known (to me) is Special Record 1001-P Desert Song by Bar Harbor Soc Orch.,
> which was issued in a special sleeve stating 'Desert Song / Theatre Special'.
> 1076-P (Gotta Feelin'For You, as by 'The CAPITOLIANS'; reverse unknown) is on M-G-M, 
> and thus pres. 1072-P is on another label (I do not have an image of 1072-P).
> There also was a Publix 2000 series (why?). E.g., 2008-P (mx 149616) I Have To Have You, by
> The Paramounteers, A. Hanshaw-v.
>
> Is there a numerical list of this 1000/2000-P series?
>
> I have NO image of Har 1009-H, and assume it is rare. Of the same coupling on VT 2009-V 
> I have both east coast & west coast label images. 
> Since Rust lists 1009-H only, is there a possibility that 1009-H is unissued? I also have never seen 
> Diva 3009-G. 
> Note that 1012-H/2012-V/3012-G by Annette Hanshaw (Tip-Toe/What Wouldn't I Do For That Man)
> is common on all 3 labels.
>
> Julian, which issues are listed in the new ADBD for these 2 Joyce titles?
>
> There was a short Supertone 1000-S series made by Columbia for Strauss & Schram.
> This is different from the Co Special/Publix/M-G-M series.
>
> Han Enderman
> ===
Han Enderman wrote: (8:39 AM Eastern)
> Slowly the discographical clouds are clearing up (if that is correct English).
> I also tried to find the sources for the statement, and having found the M-G-M ebay item,
> I looked it up in ADBD & Rust-JR and saw the mention of both Columbia -P issues.
> Checking my Supertone label images, it became evident that the Supertone 1000-S series 
> is a very different SMALL series (highest available cat.nr 1026-S).
>
> On Ty's site I checked the Columbia labels, but not Supertone, since 1076-P couldn't be
> a Supertone (wrong suffix; cat.nr too high).
> To answer the question, TY has the incorrect label name.
>
> Ty is mixing up 2 Columbia 1000 series for client labels:
> he uses the heading for the Supertone 1000-S (Straus & Schram) series to list the 
> [Columbia] 1000/2000-P series (Special Record/M-G-M/Publix).
> There is no mixing up of both series, AFAIK. All issues listed are the real -P releases.
>
> >From images (all suffixed -P):
> - [Columbia] Special Record 1001/02/03/08/11/12/13/36/77/86.
> - M-G-M 1010/30/32/33/35/38/73/74/75/76/78/79/81/84/88/90/92/93.
> - Publix 1015/17/19/23/40/41/47/55/56/58/62/63/65; 2008/19/20.
> Note that 1010-P has a different red-blue label (see ARLIE), called "The MGM RECORD".
> Many issues I have never seen, but 1001/32/58/78 are relatively common.
>
> Han Enderman