[78-L] Whiteman's"Sweet Sue"

[Ate van Delden]

Rayno indeed says ""Take 4 was subsequently re-released....." but if that is 
so, it should have been released in the first place. And it wasn't. Or is my 
English so poor?
Anyway, a friend of mine is a great Bix-collector, plays trumpet and has 
good ears. He has all issued versions of this title (original Columbia, and 
both versions of the red Columbia) and tells me that all three are 
identical.
So could Rayno be wrong? Does he have his data from the Columbia files? Who 
has a recording sheet of this session? Could there be more than 2 versions 
of the red Columbia?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "martha" <MLK402 at verizon.net>
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Whiteman's"Sweet Sue"


> No discovery at all.  Don Rayno says :  " Take 4 was subsequently
> re-releasedas Columbia 35667 as part of album C-29. Most issues of 35667,
> however, have the introduction edited out. The runoff groove of the edited
> issue has "2A" stamped at the top..."
>
> So, original 12" was Take 1,  dubbed 10" was Take 4.   Not so much "zero
> odds".
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Whiteman's"Sweet Sue"
>
>
>>
>> Actually, look at both red label issues..they have different matrix
>> numbers. The fine groove complete one is 24050-1 and the truncated one is
>> 27xxx (something)..as I say, my books are packed away and the records are
>> on a truck so I can't pinpoint numbers here. But to my ear, take 1 on
>> 12-inch is different from what's on ten-inch, although I'll cheerfully
>> stand corrected. The differences are in the vocal (a twist in Fulton's
>> voice that I never heard before) and just before Bix's chorus starts. 
>> Dubs
>> and takes have been misnumbered before and in fact a first attempt at
>> dubbing the twelve-incher WOULD be take 1 under its new number and
>> wouldn't have shown the original #, although they usually indicated when
>> an unreleased take was being used by printing "second master" on the
>> reissue label.
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>> dl
>>
>>> From: david.diehl at hensteeth.com
>>>
>>> Take a deep breath everybody. Now exhale slowly. "Sweet Sue" on Columbia
>>> 50103-D is take one. I have a copy in front of me. The dub of take one 
>>> on
>>> red label Columbia exists in two forms with identical mx and take
>>> numbers: 24050-1. I have both copies in front of me. The original 
>>> release
>>> is truncated as per Avakian's notes. Later copies are fine-groove dubs 
>>> of
>>> the same take. What are the odds that you have discovered the find of 
>>> the
>>> 21st century?
>>> ZERO!
>
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