[78-L] Bessie Smith album

[Royal Pemberton]

Yet according to Tyrone's listing the records for C-31 are 35672 through
35675.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:

> They're also hardly "full range recordings"..they're dubs, done under ARC's
> usual lousy conditions.
>
> Columbia didn't quite have it together when they printed the 1940 catalog.
> There are two Bessie Smith albums, C-8 and C-31. "Smith, Bessie" directs
> you to
> look for "Bessie Smith Album" (that's C-8) and it's in the main body where
> Masterworks and Mantovani also appear. C-31 is listed only in the numerical
> albums at the end, not anywhere else in the book, and no titles are shown.
> Red
> label Columbias are in the small "popular" section and there's no Bessie
> and no
> Smith (except Kate).
>
> dl
>
> Glenn Longwell wrote:
> > This is an interesting point you bring up about the Full Range Recording
> labels.  Wheeler's book makes mention of 3 different label types used in one
> collector's album.  One was with the Full Range Recording label and the
> other two without but with different patent info on them.  Since you have
> Note the Notes, it would be Figures VIII.B.1 and VIII.B.2.
> >
> > I happen to have all six discs but without the book.  None of mine have
> the Full Range Recording label so it would appear there was no standard over
> the course of the production run.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Philip Fukuda <pfukuda at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Philip Fukuda <pfukuda at att.net>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David, Mike and others,
> > There is no catalog number on my album. The spine just reads "Bessie
> Smith Album."
> >
> > The records are 3171-D through 3176-D, but with following matrix numbers
> (so yes, these are dubs):
> >
> > 3171: missing from my album
> > 3172: Careless Love Blues (21822)
> >           Weeping Willow Blues (21837)
> > 3173: There Will Be A Hot Time In The Old Town Tonight (21840)
> >           Alexander's Ragtime Band (21841)
> > 3174: Muddy Water (21853)
> >           Money Blues (21871)
> > 3175: missing
> > 3176: Nobody Knows When You're Down And Out (21842)
> >           Back-Water Blues (21870)
> >
> > The records are a mixture of blue label, block lettering COLUMBIA, with
> and without "Full Range Recording" at the top. So, I misspoke earlier. The
> ARC-Columbia label was not defunct in 1938, but probably limped into 1939
> (should have checked "Note the Notes" first).
> >
> > Also, the circular photo of Bessie on the cover is pasted on, though very
> expertly so it's hard to tell. The photo is a halftone, by the way.  My
> digital camera is broken, but I can piece together a color scan for you
> Mike.
> >
> > So, do any of you have Columbia catalogs or supplements for 1937 to '39,
> pre-CBS ownership? That might shed some light on the matter. Though, I have
> a feeling that ARC considered Columbia an afterthought by this point (for
> popular stuff anyway), and spent more time and money on Brunswick &
> Vocalion.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:27:58 -0500
> > From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
> > To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Message-ID: <4B4B356E.7080800 at sympatico.ca>
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> >
> > Wossamatta all you guys! The Bessie Smith album is C-8.
> >
> > C-1 is Tango Album No. 1
> > C-2 is Tango Album No. 2
> > C-3 is Rumba and Congo Album
> > C-4 is the first issue of Air Raid, which no living person has ever seen
> > C-5 is the second issue of Air Raid
> > C-6 is Merchant of Venice
> > C-7 is Twelfth Night
> > C-9 is European Dance Album
> > C-10 is Julius Caesar
> >
> > This would put the Bessie Smith album in 1938, unless it WAS issued
> earlier
> > without a number (as was the case with Victor's Bix Beiderbecke Memorial
> > Album). From the October 1940 catalog (designed by Steinweiss, by the
> way).
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Michael Biel wrote:
> >> If I wake up in time (I gotta start getting to bed earlier) Leah and I
> >> are going to R&H to look at some catalogs and magazines and I will be
> >> looking to see the issue date.  I do think the album was sold with the
> >> specific records and I think that George Blacker and I did figure out an
> >> album catalog number decades ago, but it wasn't easy.  If I can't come
> >> up with a copy to photograph myself, I NEED a color scan or photo of
> >> it!!!  Is the photo a glued-on glossy photo?
> >>
> >> By the way, on Friday in less than three hours, Leah and I BLEW THE
> >> STEINWEISS LEGEND OUT OF THE WATER with some of the evidence we found at
> >> another branch of NYPL in journals unrelated directly to records that I
> >> bet nobody has ever thought to use.  No further hints about this stuff
> >> -- you will have to go to ARSC in New Orleans to find out.  It helps to
> >> know where to find things.
> >>
> >> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    -------- Original Message --------
> >>   Subject: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
> >>   From: "Philip Fukuda" <pfukuda at att.net>
> >>   Date: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:23 am
> >>   To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   I'm just catching up on reading my emails after my vacation, so
> forgive
> >> me if this has been discussed before.
> >>
> >>   I've been following the Alex Steinweiss thread with interest, but
> >> didn't have anything to add to the discussion until today. Imagine my
> >> surprise at finding the c1937 (Driggs and Lewine's "Black Beauty, White
> >> Heat" say 1938, but I think the label was defunct by then) Bessie Smith
> >> Album at the 78 swap meet today. It has a brown cover with a photo of
> >> Bessie with the names of the accompanying musicians. I tend to believe
> >> the 1937 date since there is no mention of Bessie's death. Did it come
> >> with a booklet (mine doesn't have one)?
> >>
> >>   There is no text on the inside front or back covers. The album itself
> >> doesn't have a number, so doesn't look like part of a series.
> >> Unfortunately, I only have 4 of the 6 records. Also, I get the feeling
> >> the records were sold individually, but the album was a "freebie" if the
> >> customer bought all six records. Of course, they are the last six
> >> records in the -D series.
> >>
> >>   Does anyone have a 1937 or 1938 Columbia catalog or monthly
> supplements
> >> to back up any of my wild guesses?
> >>
> >>   By the way, Happy New Year to all,
> >>   Philip
> >>
>
>
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