[78-L] Bessie Smith album

[David Lennick]

Right. Those are entirely different from the contents of C-8. They're also 
master pressings. Columbia must have dubbed other sides that weren't used in 
C-8.."One and Two Blues" is a dub on 36281, which is part of the Hot Trombones 
set. I don't know why 35672/5 aren't in the 1940 catalog but the album number is.

dl

Royal Pemberton wrote:
> Yet according to Tyrone's listing the records for C-31 are 35672 through
> 35675.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
> 
>> They're also hardly "full range recordings"..they're dubs, done under ARC's
>> usual lousy conditions.
>>
>> Columbia didn't quite have it together when they printed the 1940 catalog.
>> There are two Bessie Smith albums, C-8 and C-31. "Smith, Bessie" directs
>> you to
>> look for "Bessie Smith Album" (that's C-8) and it's in the main body where
>> Masterworks and Mantovani also appear. C-31 is listed only in the numerical
>> albums at the end, not anywhere else in the book, and no titles are shown.
>> Red
>> label Columbias are in the small "popular" section and there's no Bessie
>> and no
>> Smith (except Kate).
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Glenn Longwell wrote:
>>> This is an interesting point you bring up about the Full Range Recording
>> labels.  Wheeler's book makes mention of 3 different label types used in one
>> collector's album.  One was with the Full Range Recording label and the
>> other two without but with different patent info on them.  Since you have
>> Note the Notes, it would be Figures VIII.B.1 and VIII.B.2.
>>> I happen to have all six discs but without the book.  None of mine have
>> the Full Range Recording label so it would appear there was no standard over
>> the course of the production run.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Philip Fukuda <pfukuda at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Philip Fukuda <pfukuda at att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:24 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David, Mike and others,
>>> There is no catalog number on my album. The spine just reads "Bessie
>> Smith Album."
>>> The records are 3171-D through 3176-D, but with following matrix numbers
>> (so yes, these are dubs):
>>> 3171: missing from my album
>>> 3172: Careless Love Blues (21822)
>>>           Weeping Willow Blues (21837)
>>> 3173: There Will Be A Hot Time In The Old Town Tonight (21840)
>>>           Alexander's Ragtime Band (21841)
>>> 3174: Muddy Water (21853)
>>>           Money Blues (21871)
>>> 3175: missing
>>> 3176: Nobody Knows When You're Down And Out (21842)
>>>           Back-Water Blues (21870)
>>>
>>> The records are a mixture of blue label, block lettering COLUMBIA, with
>> and without "Full Range Recording" at the top. So, I misspoke earlier. The
>> ARC-Columbia label was not defunct in 1938, but probably limped into 1939
>> (should have checked "Note the Notes" first).
>>> Also, the circular photo of Bessie on the cover is pasted on, though very
>> expertly so it's hard to tell. The photo is a halftone, by the way.  My
>> digital camera is broken, but I can piece together a color scan for you
>> Mike.
>>> So, do any of you have Columbia catalogs or supplements for 1937 to '39,
>> pre-CBS ownership? That might shed some light on the matter. Though, I have
>> a feeling that ARC considered Columbia an afterthought by this point (for
>> popular stuff anyway), and spent more time and money on Brunswick &
>> Vocalion.
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:27:58 -0500
>>> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
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>>> Wossamatta all you guys! The Bessie Smith album is C-8.
>>>
>>> C-1 is Tango Album No. 1
>>> C-2 is Tango Album No. 2
>>> C-3 is Rumba and Congo Album
>>> C-4 is the first issue of Air Raid, which no living person has ever seen
>>> C-5 is the second issue of Air Raid
>>> C-6 is Merchant of Venice
>>> C-7 is Twelfth Night
>>> C-9 is European Dance Album
>>> C-10 is Julius Caesar
>>>
>>> This would put the Bessie Smith album in 1938, unless it WAS issued
>> earlier
>>> without a number (as was the case with Victor's Bix Beiderbecke Memorial
>>> Album). From the October 1940 catalog (designed by Steinweiss, by the
>> way).
>>> dl
>>>
>>> Michael Biel wrote:
>>>> If I wake up in time (I gotta start getting to bed earlier) Leah and I
>>>> are going to R&H to look at some catalogs and magazines and I will be
>>>> looking to see the issue date.  I do think the album was sold with the
>>>> specific records and I think that George Blacker and I did figure out an
>>>> album catalog number decades ago, but it wasn't easy.  If I can't come
>>>> up with a copy to photograph myself, I NEED a color scan or photo of
>>>> it!!!  Is the photo a glued-on glossy photo?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, on Friday in less than three hours, Leah and I BLEW THE
>>>> STEINWEISS LEGEND OUT OF THE WATER with some of the evidence we found at
>>>> another branch of NYPL in journals unrelated directly to records that I
>>>> bet nobody has ever thought to use.  No further hints about this stuff
>>>> -- you will have to go to ARSC in New Orleans to find out.  It helps to
>>>> know where to find things.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    -------- Original Message --------
>>>>   Subject: [78-L] Bessie Smith album
>>>>   From: "Philip Fukuda" <pfukuda at att.net>
>>>>   Date: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:23 am
>>>>   To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I'm just catching up on reading my emails after my vacation, so
>> forgive
>>>> me if this has been discussed before.
>>>>
>>>>   I've been following the Alex Steinweiss thread with interest, but
>>>> didn't have anything to add to the discussion until today. Imagine my
>>>> surprise at finding the c1937 (Driggs and Lewine's "Black Beauty, White
>>>> Heat" say 1938, but I think the label was defunct by then) Bessie Smith
>>>> Album at the 78 swap meet today. It has a brown cover with a photo of
>>>> Bessie with the names of the accompanying musicians. I tend to believe
>>>> the 1937 date since there is no mention of Bessie's death. Did it come
>>>> with a booklet (mine doesn't have one)?
>>>>
>>>>   There is no text on the inside front or back covers. The album itself
>>>> doesn't have a number, so doesn't look like part of a series.
>>>> Unfortunately, I only have 4 of the 6 records. Also, I get the feeling
>>>> the records were sold individually, but the album was a "freebie" if the
>>>> customer bought all six records. Of course, they are the last six
>>>> records in the -D series.
>>>>
>>>>   Does anyone have a 1937 or 1938 Columbia catalog or monthly
>> supplements
>>>> to back up any of my wild guesses?
>>>>
>>>>   By the way, Happy New Year to all,
>>>>   Philip
>>>>