[78-L] Climax record abrupt start

[Royal Pemberton]

I certainly couldn't speak to that as being the likely practice, but that
would have been a brilliantly expeditious method of getting two suitable
masters at once.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:

> Is it possible that they were recording disc and cylinder versions
> simultaneously, but starting the disc cutters late so that the cylinder
> would
> be announced and the disc wouldn't?
>
> David Lennick wrote:
> > I've seen altered discs, most notably the Jean Goldkettte "In My Merry
> > Oldsmobile" where a spoken portion was masked (and I've held a vinyl test
> of
> > the unaltered version in my hands, so my DNA is on it..now all I have to
> do is
> > wait). But one Columbia I'm thinking of is Vess Ossman's "The Darkies'
> > Awakening" which has a very wobbly first couple of revs, as if they
> started
> > playing too early.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Royal Pemberton wrote:
> >> Is the first groove somewhat further in from the edge of the record than
> >> Columbias of the period generally are?  If the groove starts 'suddenly'
> >> without the appearance of the groove starting 'gradually' as evidence of
> the
> >> cutter being slowly lowered onto the spinning wax, it has indeed been
> >> altered.
> >>
> >> I have one record with such an alteration:  it's Columbia A 376 'Evenin'
> >> time at Punkin Centre' (mx 1757-2) but as a 'Standard'.  Usually grooves
> >> begin between 5/16" and 3/8" in from the edge; this side starts more
> like
> >> 1/2" in.  I could detect at the point the groove begins that Cal Stewart
> had
> >> just said something (now I feel sure it was 'Columbia record') just as
> the
> >> opening sound effect began.  The flip, 'I'se gwine back to Dixie' by
> 'Male
> >> quartet' (mx 753) starts about 5/16" from the edge, and is not
> announced,
> >> and is hence unaltered.  (Strangest of all, many years ago, the disc
> fell
> >> out of my hands and dropped about a foot and a half onto a wooden floor.
> >> The disc snapped almost perfectly in half, revealing its non-laminated
> >> construction.)
> >>
> >> If I get a chance, I will take a photo of the disc at the points where
> the
> >> grooves begin, so you can see the difference.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've had the occasional very early Columbia that seemed to start with
> less
> >>> than
> >>> half a revolution and before the cutter had even determined an even
> depth.
> >>>
> >>> dl
> >>>
> >>> Bryan Wright wrote:
> >>>> I just picked up a Climax Double Disk record (K412), one side of which
> >>>> uses Columbia matrix 532-2, a xylophone solo by Charles Lowe of
> >>>> "Suwannee River" [sic] recorded January 1902. I was surprised when
> >>>> starting the record to hear that the beginning of the recording is
> >>>> clipped. I place the needle at the very start of the groove, but  the
> >>>> piano introduction is already in progress. I'm wondering if this might
> >>>> have originally been an announced record (mentioning Columbia at the
> >>>> start) and perhaps the Climax "reissue" I have had those first few
> >>>> revolutions of the groove polished away to remove the announcement?
> >>>> The record doesn't show any signs of tampering -- i.e., the outer edge
> >>>> looks like any other Columbia from the period, so any attempt to
> >>>> remove part of the groove must have been *very* well done. Does anyone
> >>>> have the original Columbia issue for comparison? Are clipped openings
> >>>> on Columbia-derived pressings such as this common?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bryan W.
> >>>> __________________
> >
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