[78-L] Climax record abrupt start

[David Lennick]

Is it possible that they were recording disc and cylinder versions 
simultaneously, but starting the disc cutters late so that the cylinder would 
be announced and the disc wouldn't?

David Lennick wrote:
> I've seen altered discs, most notably the Jean Goldkettte "In My Merry 
> Oldsmobile" where a spoken portion was masked (and I've held a vinyl test of 
> the unaltered version in my hands, so my DNA is on it..now all I have to do is 
> wait). But one Columbia I'm thinking of is Vess Ossman's "The Darkies' 
> Awakening" which has a very wobbly first couple of revs, as if they started 
> playing too early.
> 
> dl
> 
> Royal Pemberton wrote:
>> Is the first groove somewhat further in from the edge of the record than
>> Columbias of the period generally are?  If the groove starts 'suddenly'
>> without the appearance of the groove starting 'gradually' as evidence of the
>> cutter being slowly lowered onto the spinning wax, it has indeed been
>> altered.
>>
>> I have one record with such an alteration:  it's Columbia A 376 'Evenin'
>> time at Punkin Centre' (mx 1757-2) but as a 'Standard'.  Usually grooves
>> begin between 5/16" and 3/8" in from the edge; this side starts more like
>> 1/2" in.  I could detect at the point the groove begins that Cal Stewart had
>> just said something (now I feel sure it was 'Columbia record') just as the
>> opening sound effect began.  The flip, 'I'se gwine back to Dixie' by 'Male
>> quartet' (mx 753) starts about 5/16" from the edge, and is not announced,
>> and is hence unaltered.  (Strangest of all, many years ago, the disc fell
>> out of my hands and dropped about a foot and a half onto a wooden floor.
>> The disc snapped almost perfectly in half, revealing its non-laminated
>> construction.)
>>
>> If I get a chance, I will take a photo of the disc at the points where the
>> grooves begin, so you can see the difference.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> I've had the occasional very early Columbia that seemed to start with less
>>> than
>>> half a revolution and before the cutter had even determined an even depth.
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> Bryan Wright wrote:
>>>> I just picked up a Climax Double Disk record (K412), one side of which
>>>> uses Columbia matrix 532-2, a xylophone solo by Charles Lowe of
>>>> "Suwannee River" [sic] recorded January 1902. I was surprised when
>>>> starting the record to hear that the beginning of the recording is
>>>> clipped. I place the needle at the very start of the groove, but  the
>>>> piano introduction is already in progress. I'm wondering if this might
>>>> have originally been an announced record (mentioning Columbia at the
>>>> start) and perhaps the Climax "reissue" I have had those first few
>>>> revolutions of the groove polished away to remove the announcement?
>>>> The record doesn't show any signs of tampering -- i.e., the outer edge
>>>> looks like any other Columbia from the period, so any attempt to
>>>> remove part of the groove must have been *very* well done. Does anyone
>>>> have the original Columbia issue for comparison? Are clipped openings
>>>> on Columbia-derived pressings such as this common?
>>>>
>>>> Bryan W.
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