[78-L] Climax record abrupt start

[Royal Pemberton]

I have a 12" Victor scroll disc that has been altered as well, on both
sides.  It's 68763, two German titles by a male chorus, the Northeastern
Saengerbund of America.  Visible on both sides are what I might call 'faint
hints' at three to five more turns of recorded groove at the beginning, and
the grooves start most suddenly.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:

> I've seen altered discs, most notably the Jean Goldkettte "In My Merry
> Oldsmobile" where a spoken portion was masked (and I've held a vinyl test
> of
> the unaltered version in my hands, so my DNA is on it..now all I have to do
> is
> wait). But one Columbia I'm thinking of is Vess Ossman's "The Darkies'
> Awakening" which has a very wobbly first couple of revs, as if they started
> playing too early.
>
> dl
>
> Royal Pemberton wrote:
> > Is the first groove somewhat further in from the edge of the record than
> > Columbias of the period generally are?  If the groove starts 'suddenly'
> > without the appearance of the groove starting 'gradually' as evidence of
> the
> > cutter being slowly lowered onto the spinning wax, it has indeed been
> > altered.
> >
> > I have one record with such an alteration:  it's Columbia A 376 'Evenin'
> > time at Punkin Centre' (mx 1757-2) but as a 'Standard'.  Usually grooves
> > begin between 5/16" and 3/8" in from the edge; this side starts more like
> > 1/2" in.  I could detect at the point the groove begins that Cal Stewart
> had
> > just said something (now I feel sure it was 'Columbia record') just as
> the
> > opening sound effect began.  The flip, 'I'se gwine back to Dixie' by
> 'Male
> > quartet' (mx 753) starts about 5/16" from the edge, and is not announced,
> > and is hence unaltered.  (Strangest of all, many years ago, the disc fell
> > out of my hands and dropped about a foot and a half onto a wooden floor.
> > The disc snapped almost perfectly in half, revealing its non-laminated
> > construction.)
> >
> > If I get a chance, I will take a photo of the disc at the points where
> the
> > grooves begin, so you can see the difference.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I've had the occasional very early Columbia that seemed to start with
> less
> >> than
> >> half a revolution and before the cutter had even determined an even
> depth.
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >> Bryan Wright wrote:
> >>> I just picked up a Climax Double Disk record (K412), one side of which
> >>> uses Columbia matrix 532-2, a xylophone solo by Charles Lowe of
> >>> "Suwannee River" [sic] recorded January 1902. I was surprised when
> >>> starting the record to hear that the beginning of the recording is
> >>> clipped. I place the needle at the very start of the groove, but  the
> >>> piano introduction is already in progress. I'm wondering if this might
> >>> have originally been an announced record (mentioning Columbia at the
> >>> start) and perhaps the Climax "reissue" I have had those first few
> >>> revolutions of the groove polished away to remove the announcement?
> >>> The record doesn't show any signs of tampering -- i.e., the outer edge
> >>> looks like any other Columbia from the period, so any attempt to
> >>> remove part of the groove must have been *very* well done. Does anyone
> >>> have the original Columbia issue for comparison? Are clipped openings
> >>> on Columbia-derived pressings such as this common?
> >>>
> >>> Bryan W.
> >>> __________________
>
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