[78-L] Verve Label Colours

[David Lennick]

Ricky doesn't sing on Honey Rock, although there is a female vocal (not doing 
all that much). Ricky recorded only 3 songs. AGP's link tells the whole story.

Since Verve was primarily a jazz label, hit singles wouldn't be much of a 
priority..the whole Ricky Nelson thing was a fluke, with Ricky wanting to 
impress a girlfriend, Ozzie getting Barney Kessel's cooperation as an old 
friend, Verve suddenly finding itself with a hit record it wasn't prepared to 
press in quantity, and Imperial glad to take Ricky off Verve's hands.

dl

Han Enderman wrote:
> Note the typo in my message; should be:
> orange label released c.Jan 1956 - c.Apr 1957 (based on ARLD dates).
> 
> Looking at my Verve 78 label pictures, I was surprised by the small number,
> and also by the cat.nr ranges in Gart's ARLD.
> Ruppli (Clef/Verve) lists a 89000-89193 series, and indicates
> that 89000-172 (and 89176?) are on Clef and 89173-193 on Verve.
> 
> Ruppli (v.2, p.638) lists a Verve 78rpm 2000-2026 series [2024 unknown], 
> which agrees with my images, which are V-2002-2025 (all prefixed V-, except one side of
> the black repressing of V-2025).
> But then, why lists ARLD 2030 & 2058 (1957)?  Are these 45s?
> Ruppli (p.661) also lists a Swedish V-2000 series, V-2000-2061.
> V-2000-2004 are the same in both series (O'Day, Ella, Spike Jones, Joe Williams) and
> then everything is different.
> 
> Ruppli (p.639) lists a Verve 45rpm V-10000-10237 & VK-10238-10724 series.
> He doesn't mention 78rpm V-10000 issues, and maybe there were only a few,
> for the very popular issues.
> So the question is now, which 78s exist in the Verve V-10000 series?
> As I said before, I have images of 10047 (very common, in 3 label variants),
> 10050, 10070 (common), 10079. By Ricky Nelson and Ella. 
> Nelson is listed in Ruppli as vocalist on 10070-B Honey Rock, but not mentioned on the label.
> Is there a vocal on Honey Rock?
> 
> Han Enderman
> ===
>>>> I've seen very few Canadian pressings of Verve 78s..in fact the label was 
> pretty hard to find at the best of times up here until it was taken over by MGM 
> and distribution handed over to Quality. "Inside Shelley Berman" was priced at 
> a whopping $5.98 even for Canadian pressings, which were done by Compo for a 
> Montreal small-timer called MusiMart. "Spike Spoofs The Pops" was issued in 
> February 1956 (probably slightly later in Canada) and was pressed here by RCA. 
> It has the original tracks (Love And Marriage was apparently replaced by Little 
> Child on later pressings, probably not changed up here since I've seen only one 
> copy of this record ANYWHERE).
> 
> dl
> 
> Han Enderman wrote:
>> You actually gave the answer to your question: the first label colour was orange-yellow
>> replaced by black. So the black 10047 is a repressing, and prob. the orange label was 
>> changed to black before 10070. Available label images of 10050 & 10079 (both Ella) have black labels.
>>
>> The Verve 2000 series was issued from ca. Jan 1956 on and has orange labels in
>> the range 2002-2025 (incl. the Spike Jones), but a repressing of 2025 (Crosby) has a black label.
>> .
>> The rare 89000 Clef series has black labels for 89183 (Dizzy, 1958).
>>
>> So the orange label was used ca. Jan 1956 - ca. Apr 1958. The fact that the orange label is rare for 
>> 10047 indicates that the label had been changed when it had to be repressed.
>> Actually I have seen 2 variants of the 10047 black label, with slightly different layout
>> - 1. Orchestra conducted / by / BARNEY KESSEL (as on your label)
>> - 2. Orchestra / conducted by / BARNEY KESSEL.
>> But I've never seen a Canadian pressing.
>>
>> Han Enderman
>> ===
>>>>> In particular can anyone fill in 
>> some time lines for the use of the black and silver Verve label 
>> versus the orange and yellow Verve label. I'm not sure what year 
>> Verve started up, was it maybe 1955? I know that in 1957 they used 
>> the black and silver version on the Ricky Nelson releases on 78, but 
>> there is also an orange and yellow version of his first release (I'm 
>> Walking V-10047). Both it and the second release, You're My One and 
>> Only Love V-10070 were on black and silver, I have nver seen a yelow 
>> and silver version of the second one, so I wonder if it exists. The 
>> anorak in me needs to know
>>
>> T
>> -----
>> I have the Spike Jones 4 song disc with yellow & orange, and on a Canadian 
>> pressing at that. Ditto Ella Fitzgerald's "Hot-a Chocolate" (sp?). I've never 
>> seen either of the Ricky Nelson discs with anything but black & silver.
>>
>> dl
>> <<<
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