[78-L] Verve Label Colours

[Han Enderman]

Note the typo in my message; should be:
orange label released c.Jan 1956 - c.Apr 1957 (based on ARLD dates).

Looking at my Verve 78 label pictures, I was surprised by the small number,
and also by the cat.nr ranges in Gart's ARLD.
Ruppli (Clef/Verve) lists a 89000-89193 series, and indicates
that 89000-172 (and 89176?) are on Clef and 89173-193 on Verve.

Ruppli (v.2, p.638) lists a Verve 78rpm 2000-2026 series [2024 unknown], 
which agrees with my images, which are V-2002-2025 (all prefixed V-, except one side of
the black repressing of V-2025).
But then, why lists ARLD 2030 & 2058 (1957)?  Are these 45s?
Ruppli (p.661) also lists a Swedish V-2000 series, V-2000-2061.
V-2000-2004 are the same in both series (O'Day, Ella, Spike Jones, Joe Williams) and
then everything is different.

Ruppli (p.639) lists a Verve 45rpm V-10000-10237 & VK-10238-10724 series.
He doesn't mention 78rpm V-10000 issues, and maybe there were only a few,
for the very popular issues.
So the question is now, which 78s exist in the Verve V-10000 series?
As I said before, I have images of 10047 (very common, in 3 label variants),
10050, 10070 (common), 10079. By Ricky Nelson and Ella. 
Nelson is listed in Ruppli as vocalist on 10070-B Honey Rock, but not mentioned on the label.
Is there a vocal on Honey Rock?

Han Enderman
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>>> I've seen very few Canadian pressings of Verve 78s..in fact the label was 
pretty hard to find at the best of times up here until it was taken over by MGM 
and distribution handed over to Quality. "Inside Shelley Berman" was priced at 
a whopping $5.98 even for Canadian pressings, which were done by Compo for a 
Montreal small-timer called MusiMart. "Spike Spoofs The Pops" was issued in 
February 1956 (probably slightly later in Canada) and was pressed here by RCA. 
It has the original tracks (Love And Marriage was apparently replaced by Little 
Child on later pressings, probably not changed up here since I've seen only one 
copy of this record ANYWHERE).

dl

Han Enderman wrote:
> You actually gave the answer to your question: the first label colour was orange-yellow
> replaced by black. So the black 10047 is a repressing, and prob. the orange label was 
> changed to black before 10070. Available label images of 10050 & 10079 (both Ella) have black labels.
> 
> The Verve 2000 series was issued from ca. Jan 1956 on and has orange labels in
> the range 2002-2025 (incl. the Spike Jones), but a repressing of 2025 (Crosby) has a black label.
> .
> The rare 89000 Clef series has black labels for 89183 (Dizzy, 1958).
> 
> So the orange label was used ca. Jan 1956 - ca. Apr 1958. The fact that the orange label is rare for 
> 10047 indicates that the label had been changed when it had to be repressed.
> Actually I have seen 2 variants of the 10047 black label, with slightly different layout
> - 1. Orchestra conducted / by / BARNEY KESSEL (as on your label)
> - 2. Orchestra / conducted by / BARNEY KESSEL.
> But I've never seen a Canadian pressing.
> 
> Han Enderman
> ===
>>>> In particular can anyone fill in 
> some time lines for the use of the black and silver Verve label 
> versus the orange and yellow Verve label. I'm not sure what year 
> Verve started up, was it maybe 1955? I know that in 1957 they used 
> the black and silver version on the Ricky Nelson releases on 78, but 
> there is also an orange and yellow version of his first release (I'm 
> Walking V-10047). Both it and the second release, You're My One and 
> Only Love V-10070 were on black and silver, I have nver seen a yelow 
> and silver version of the second one, so I wonder if it exists. The 
> anorak in me needs to know
> 
> T
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> I have the Spike Jones 4 song disc with yellow & orange, and on a Canadian 
> pressing at that. Ditto Ella Fitzgerald's "Hot-a Chocolate" (sp?). I've never 
> seen either of the Ricky Nelson discs with anything but black & silver.
> 
> dl
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