[78-L] Lili Marleen

[David Lennick]

Nah, he supposedly offed himself..the day I was born, matter of fact.

dl

simmonssomer wrote:
> So...we're left with one of the few who started this Marleen nonsense,  and 
> that was Aydolf.
> 
> Al S.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen
> 
> 
>> The Perry Como and Hildegarde versions spelled it "Marlene" as well, 
>> didn't
>> they? Probably the most recognizable form of the name. If they were using 
>> the
>> Tommy Connor lyric, that's probably what was on the published music. Also 
>> we
>> have no consistency regarding "Lili" and "Lilli".
>>
>> From Nat Shapiro:
>>
>> Lilli Marlene (My Lilli of the Lamplight)
>> English words by Tommie Connor, German words by Hans Leip, music by 
>> Norbert
>> Schultze.
>> Apollo-Verlag Paul Lincke, Berlin, Germany, 1940/The Peter Maurice Music 
>> Co.,
>> Ltd., London, England, 1944/Edward B. Marks Music Corp.
>> From a poem written by Hans Leip during World War I and published in 1937 
>> in a
>> volume of verse entitled "Die Hafenorgel". Set to music in present form in 
>> 1939
>> and introduced in Germany by Lale Anderson. While being broadcast to 
>> German
>> Afrikakorps during World War II, sentimental marching song was "adopted" 
>> by
>> British Eighth Army. Best-selling recording in England by Anne Shelton.
>> Popularized in the United States by Marlene Dietrich. Featured in "Lili
>> Marlene" (film, 1944), "A Bell for Adano" (film, 1945), and "Judgment at
>> Nuremburg" (film, 1941).
>> (--this was well before the film about the song and the singer made in the
>> early 80s which, as I recall, was a load of BS)
>>
>> dl
>>
>> simmonssomer wrote:
>>> O.K. But where did Dietrich get Marlene from? She was German and it was
>>> Marlene from the start..nicht wahr?
>>>
>>> Al S.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
>>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Al Simmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, it was  "Lili Marlene"
>>>>> Where did this "Marleen" come from?
>>>>> Probably the same place as "nucular"
>>>> --
>>>> Marlene is the English spelling (used on English versions).
>>>> Somewhere along the way the German spelling changed from Marlen to
>>>> Marleen.
>>>> You can see it on
>>>> http://www.lale-andersen.de/index1.htm
>>>> (press "TONTRAGER" and then "Deutsche Singles"- you'll see pictures of
>>>> original issues).
>>>> From late 1940's on most of Lale Andersen's own rerecordings use the
>>>> spelling Marleen.
>>>> This is also the spelling Bear Family (a German label) has chosen for
>>>> their
>>>> 7 CD-set with nearly 200 recordings of Lili Marleen and related songs.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Lennick wrote:
>>>>> Dudes, you're all wrong..it was a hit in 1936. Sez so right here.
>>>>> http://halfhearteddude.blogspot.com/2007/08/german-hits-1930-42.html
>>>> --
>>>> At that time Lale Andersen actually sang the song, but not to Norbert
>>>> Schulze's melody. Composer Rudolf Zink had set music to Hans Leib's 
>>>> poem -
>>>> but Lale Andersen never recorded that version, although she is said to
>>>> have
>>>> liked the ballad style song better than Schultze's march-tempo version.
>>>> It's fascinating, BTW, to hear the way she tries to "civilize" the song 
>>>> at
>>>> the end of the choruses, but is stretched up by the drum beat again and
>>>> again...
>>>>
>>>> Some sources say that Schultze wasn't very fond of the recording 
>>>> either -
>>>> it
>>>> might well have been the arranger or producer who put the decisive
>>>> military
>>>> touch to it. Goebells had his thoughts about how useful the song was for
>>>> fighting moral, but that was later.
>>>> There were, however, soft ballad versions of "Lili Marleen" recorded in
>>>> Germany even in the war years. Some of these are found in the Bear 
>>>> Family
>>>> compilation.
>>>> http://www.bear-family.de/index.php?sid=3072e2923f3e7cd728ecf261862161ec&cl=details&anid=059cd098ccc98158e3a32562df61b8b8&listtype=search&tcsong=Lili%20Marleen%20&tcinterpret=ANDERSEN%2C%20Lale&tcexact=
>>>> Kristjan
>>>>