[78-L] Lili Marleen

[simmonssomer]

So...we're left with one of the few who started this Marleen nonsense,  and 
that was Aydolf.

Al S.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen


> The Perry Como and Hildegarde versions spelled it "Marlene" as well, 
> didn't
> they? Probably the most recognizable form of the name. If they were using 
> the
> Tommy Connor lyric, that's probably what was on the published music. Also 
> we
> have no consistency regarding "Lili" and "Lilli".
>
> From Nat Shapiro:
>
> Lilli Marlene (My Lilli of the Lamplight)
> English words by Tommie Connor, German words by Hans Leip, music by 
> Norbert
> Schultze.
> Apollo-Verlag Paul Lincke, Berlin, Germany, 1940/The Peter Maurice Music 
> Co.,
> Ltd., London, England, 1944/Edward B. Marks Music Corp.
> From a poem written by Hans Leip during World War I and published in 1937 
> in a
> volume of verse entitled "Die Hafenorgel". Set to music in present form in 
> 1939
> and introduced in Germany by Lale Anderson. While being broadcast to 
> German
> Afrikakorps during World War II, sentimental marching song was "adopted" 
> by
> British Eighth Army. Best-selling recording in England by Anne Shelton.
> Popularized in the United States by Marlene Dietrich. Featured in "Lili
> Marlene" (film, 1944), "A Bell for Adano" (film, 1945), and "Judgment at
> Nuremburg" (film, 1941).
> (--this was well before the film about the song and the singer made in the
> early 80s which, as I recall, was a load of BS)
>
> dl
>
> simmonssomer wrote:
>> O.K. But where did Dietrich get Marlene from? She was German and it was
>> Marlene from the start..nicht wahr?
>>
>> Al S.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen
>>
>>
>>> Al Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As far as I know, it was  "Lili Marlene"
>>>> Where did this "Marleen" come from?
>>>> Probably the same place as "nucular"
>>> --
>>> Marlene is the English spelling (used on English versions).
>>> Somewhere along the way the German spelling changed from Marlen to
>>> Marleen.
>>> You can see it on
>>> http://www.lale-andersen.de/index1.htm
>>> (press "TONTRAGER" and then "Deutsche Singles"- you'll see pictures of
>>> original issues).
>>> From late 1940's on most of Lale Andersen's own rerecordings use the
>>> spelling Marleen.
>>> This is also the spelling Bear Family (a German label) has chosen for
>>> their
>>> 7 CD-set with nearly 200 recordings of Lili Marleen and related songs.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Lennick wrote:
>>>> Dudes, you're all wrong..it was a hit in 1936. Sez so right here.
>>>> http://halfhearteddude.blogspot.com/2007/08/german-hits-1930-42.html
>>> --
>>> At that time Lale Andersen actually sang the song, but not to Norbert
>>> Schulze's melody. Composer Rudolf Zink had set music to Hans Leib's 
>>> poem -
>>> but Lale Andersen never recorded that version, although she is said to
>>> have
>>> liked the ballad style song better than Schultze's march-tempo version.
>>> It's fascinating, BTW, to hear the way she tries to "civilize" the song 
>>> at
>>> the end of the choruses, but is stretched up by the drum beat again and
>>> again...
>>>
>>> Some sources say that Schultze wasn't very fond of the recording 
>>> either -
>>> it
>>> might well have been the arranger or producer who put the decisive
>>> military
>>> touch to it. Goebells had his thoughts about how useful the song was for
>>> fighting moral, but that was later.
>>> There were, however, soft ballad versions of "Lili Marleen" recorded in
>>> Germany even in the war years. Some of these are found in the Bear 
>>> Family
>>> compilation.
>>> http://www.bear-family.de/index.php?sid=3072e2923f3e7cd728ecf261862161ec&cl=details&anid=059cd098ccc98158e3a32562df61b8b8&listtype=search&tcsong=Lili%20Marleen%20&tcinterpret=ANDERSEN%2C%20Lale&tcexact=
>>> Kristjan
>>>
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