[78-L] Lili Marleen

[simmonssomer]

Somebody must have told him?

Al S

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen


> Nah, he supposedly offed himself..the day I was born, matter of fact.
>
> dl
>
> simmonssomer wrote:
>> So...we're left with one of the few who started this Marleen nonsense, 
>> and
>> that was Aydolf.
>>
>> Al S.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen
>>
>>
>>> The Perry Como and Hildegarde versions spelled it "Marlene" as well,
>>> didn't
>>> they? Probably the most recognizable form of the name. If they were 
>>> using
>>> the
>>> Tommy Connor lyric, that's probably what was on the published music. 
>>> Also
>>> we
>>> have no consistency regarding "Lili" and "Lilli".
>>>
>>> From Nat Shapiro:
>>>
>>> Lilli Marlene (My Lilli of the Lamplight)
>>> English words by Tommie Connor, German words by Hans Leip, music by
>>> Norbert
>>> Schultze.
>>> Apollo-Verlag Paul Lincke, Berlin, Germany, 1940/The Peter Maurice Music
>>> Co.,
>>> Ltd., London, England, 1944/Edward B. Marks Music Corp.
>>> From a poem written by Hans Leip during World War I and published in 
>>> 1937
>>> in a
>>> volume of verse entitled "Die Hafenorgel". Set to music in present form 
>>> in
>>> 1939
>>> and introduced in Germany by Lale Anderson. While being broadcast to
>>> German
>>> Afrikakorps during World War II, sentimental marching song was "adopted"
>>> by
>>> British Eighth Army. Best-selling recording in England by Anne Shelton.
>>> Popularized in the United States by Marlene Dietrich. Featured in "Lili
>>> Marlene" (film, 1944), "A Bell for Adano" (film, 1945), and "Judgment at
>>> Nuremburg" (film, 1941).
>>> (--this was well before the film about the song and the singer made in 
>>> the
>>> early 80s which, as I recall, was a load of BS)
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> simmonssomer wrote:
>>>> O.K. But where did Dietrich get Marlene from? She was German and it was
>>>> Marlene from the start..nicht wahr?
>>>>
>>>> Al S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
>>>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:35 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lili Marleen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Al Simmons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know, it was  "Lili Marlene"
>>>>>> Where did this "Marleen" come from?
>>>>>> Probably the same place as "nucular"
>>>>> --
>>>>> Marlene is the English spelling (used on English versions).
>>>>> Somewhere along the way the German spelling changed from Marlen to
>>>>> Marleen.
>>>>> You can see it on
>>>>> http://www.lale-andersen.de/index1.htm
>>>>> (press "TONTRAGER" and then "Deutsche Singles"- you'll see pictures of
>>>>> original issues).
>>>>> From late 1940's on most of Lale Andersen's own rerecordings use the
>>>>> spelling Marleen.
>>>>> This is also the spelling Bear Family (a German label) has chosen for
>>>>> their
>>>>> 7 CD-set with nearly 200 recordings of Lili Marleen and related songs.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Lennick wrote:
>>>>>> Dudes, you're all wrong..it was a hit in 1936. Sez so right here.
>>>>>> http://halfhearteddude.blogspot.com/2007/08/german-hits-1930-42.html
>>>>> --
>>>>> At that time Lale Andersen actually sang the song, but not to Norbert
>>>>> Schulze's melody. Composer Rudolf Zink had set music to Hans Leib's
>>>>> poem -
>>>>> but Lale Andersen never recorded that version, although she is said to
>>>>> have
>>>>> liked the ballad style song better than Schultze's march-tempo 
>>>>> version.
>>>>> It's fascinating, BTW, to hear the way she tries to "civilize" the 
>>>>> song
>>>>> at
>>>>> the end of the choruses, but is stretched up by the drum beat again 
>>>>> and
>>>>> again...
>>>>>
>>>>> Some sources say that Schultze wasn't very fond of the recording
>>>>> either -
>>>>> it
>>>>> might well have been the arranger or producer who put the decisive
>>>>> military
>>>>> touch to it. Goebells had his thoughts about how useful the song was 
>>>>> for
>>>>> fighting moral, but that was later.
>>>>> There were, however, soft ballad versions of "Lili Marleen" recorded 
>>>>> in
>>>>> Germany even in the war years. Some of these are found in the Bear
>>>>> Family
>>>>> compilation.
>>>>> http://www.bear-family.de/index.php?sid=3072e2923f3e7cd728ecf261862161ec&cl=details&anid=059cd098ccc98158e3a32562df61b8b8&listtype=search&tcsong=Lili%20Marleen%20&tcinterpret=ANDERSEN%2C%20Lale&tcexact=
>>>>> Kristjan
>>>>>
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