[78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's

[Bud Black]

Whoever else it may be, it is (to my ears) certainly not Arthur Collins. 
Arthur was a bass-baritone, and this singer is almost a tenor.  Even when
slowing the recording down there is no way it is Mr. Collins.  This is my
not-so-humble opinion.

Bud 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: David Lennick
Date: 8/8/2009 5:25:31 PM
To: 78-L Mail List
Subject: Re: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's
 
Since nobody's cited the take numbers yet, I'll provide what info is in the
Columbia Books.
 
378: All takes are by Arthur Collins. If it's a ten-inch Columbia, it should
be
take 2 and announced by Collins. If it's a ten-inch Climax, the take number
isn't listed and it doesn't say if there's an announcement.
 
1448: Both takes are Arthur Collins. No take # shown for the ten-incher, and
the song is a parody of the 1900 art song "Violets" (Ev'ry Morning I Bring
Thee
Violets). Shades of Bob Rivers "When a Man Loves a Chicken", almost a
century
earlier!
 
dl
 
bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-0f94xcPE
>
> Ok, here it is up on You Tube "Ain't dat a shame", A Coon song Ragtime
Classic, who is the artist, Collins, Denny, Roberts, Quinn?? Maybe even a
very very early Eddie Morton (a bit too early for him I suspect).
>
> Bruce
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> From: "Craig Ventresco" <craigventresco at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 2:39:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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>
> Hi,
> Early Columbia records like these can have the same serial numbers and
> different artists, depending on which take you get. For example, in my
> collection I have three versions of Columbia 876 "Mr. Dooley". One is by
> Edward M. Favor, one by Joe Natus and one by Will F. Denny. Some of these
> were originally Climax records (and some of those first were issued on
> Globe). In other words, you need check the take numbers, and then refer to
> Tim Brooks' Columbia discography. OR--play them because they might be
> announced. My 7" Columba of Bill Bailey is by Roberts, but I also have a
ten
> inch by Collins (same serial number, of course). I have Ain't Dat a Shame
by
> Denny, but have heard other takes by other artists. These are both from
> 1902. I guess back then Columbia and other companies considered the
artists
> interchangable, and the songs themselves to sell the records. I am no
expert
> on this stuff, but I am really into early discs like these, and probably
> could tell you who is singing on yours if you want to put them on here.
> I knew one collector who was really into Edward M. Favor and searched for
> years for a copy of Columbia 111 ("Who threw the Overhaulls in Mistress
> Murphy's Chowder?" ) as sung by him. and kept turning them up by Denny,
> Quinn...but no Favor. Finally he found one.
> Columbia issued so many takes of some titles in these early days that the
> collector of this kind of stuff will never get bored. Billy Golden
recorded
> "Turkey in the Straw" over and over and over, and they're all good.
Recently
> I found take 6, which has the most intense ragtime piano accompaniment.
The
> others have piano acc also, but none compare with this take--of those I
have
> heard...
> Hope thi helps a little...
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> yes, interesting "Ain't dat a shame" 1901, and Bill Bailey, I believe was
>> 1901. So I am still looking for confirmation as to who did this 1901
version
>> on Columbia, and I suspect it is Bob Roberts, but I am not positive.
>> Wonderful turn of the Century ragtime classic with sort of an early blues
>> quality to it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:58:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's
>>
>> Silas Leachman recorded "Ain't Dat A Shame" in 1901, but (IIRC)it was on
>> the
>> Monarch label. Incidentally, this song was a precursor to "Bill Bailey."
>> This is one of those rare cases where the "answer" song became more
famous
>> than the original.
>>
>> Bud
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
>> Date: 8/8/2009 1:39:32 PM
>> To: 78-L
>> Cc: Phonolist; Phono-L
>> Subject: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's
>>
>> I just picked up a couple of really nice early silver & black 10"
Columbia
>> Ragtime Comedy songs with piano and vocal. Here are the numbers and
titles:
>> Ain't Dat a Shame" Baritone Solo No. 378 and "Every Morn I bring her
>> Chicken
>> " Baritone Solo No. 1448. "Ain't Dat a Shame" (a ragtime number sounding
>> alot like a take off on "Won't you come home Bill Bailey) could be Bob
>> Roberts, but I am not totally certain, while the "Chicken" song sounds a
>> good deal like Dan W. Quinn, but again I would like to be sure as to who
>> the
>> artist is. Thanks in advance for your help. According to Steve's dating
>> book
>> 378 would be 1901 and 1448 would be 1903.
>>
>> Bruce
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