[78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's

[bruce78rpm at comcast.net]

In case anyone missed it, the unanimous choice of all those who have heard the recording on You Tube was Bob Roberts, who along with Arthur Collins was another of the popular singers of Ragtime "Coon Songs" from the early 1900's. I will be posting the other Columbia 1903 10" record (1448), where the artist is in question shortly. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca> 
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Since nobody's cited the take numbers yet, I'll provide what info is in the 
Columbia Books. 

378: All takes are by Arthur Collins. If it's a ten-inch Columbia, it should be 
take 2 and announced by Collins. If it's a ten-inch Climax, the take number 
isn't listed and it doesn't say if there's an announcement. 

1448: Both takes are Arthur Collins. No take # shown for the ten-incher, and 
the song is a parody of the 1900 art song "Violets" (Ev'ry Morning I Bring Thee 
Violets). Shades of Bob Rivers "When a Man Loves a Chicken", almost a century 
earlier! 

dl 

bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-0f94xcPE 
> 
> Ok, here it is up on You Tube "Ain't dat a shame", A Coon song Ragtime Classic, who is the artist, Collins, Denny, Roberts, Quinn?? Maybe even a very very early Eddie Morton (a bit too early for him I suspect). 
> 
> Bruce 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Craig Ventresco" <craigventresco at gmail.com> 
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> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 2:39:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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> 
> Hi, 
> Early Columbia records like these can have the same serial numbers and 
> different artists, depending on which take you get. For example, in my 
> collection I have three versions of Columbia 876 "Mr. Dooley". One is by 
> Edward M. Favor, one by Joe Natus and one by Will F. Denny. Some of these 
> were originally Climax records (and some of those first were issued on 
> Globe). In other words, you need check the take numbers, and then refer to 
> Tim Brooks' Columbia discography. OR--play them because they might be 
> announced. My 7" Columba of Bill Bailey is by Roberts, but I also have a ten 
> inch by Collins (same serial number, of course). I have Ain't Dat a Shame by 
> Denny, but have heard other takes by other artists. These are both from 
> 1902. I guess back then Columbia and other companies considered the artists 
> interchangable, and the songs themselves to sell the records. I am no expert 
> on this stuff, but I am really into early discs like these, and probably 
> could tell you who is singing on yours if you want to put them on here. 
> I knew one collector who was really into Edward M. Favor and searched for 
> years for a copy of Columbia 111 ("Who threw the Overhaulls in Mistress 
> Murphy's Chowder?" ) as sung by him. and kept turning them up by Denny, 
> Quinn...but no Favor. Finally he found one. 
> Columbia issued so many takes of some titles in these early days that the 
> collector of this kind of stuff will never get bored. Billy Golden recorded 
> "Turkey in the Straw" over and over and over, and they're all good. Recently 
> I found take 6, which has the most intense ragtime piano accompaniment. The 
> others have piano acc also, but none compare with this take--of those I have 
> heard... 
> Hope thi helps a little... 
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
>> yes, interesting "Ain't dat a shame" 1901, and Bill Bailey, I believe was 
>> 1901. So I am still looking for confirmation as to who did this 1901 version 
>> on Columbia, and I suspect it is Bob Roberts, but I am not positive. 
>> Wonderful turn of the Century ragtime classic with sort of an early blues 
>> quality to it. 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com> 
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:58:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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>> 
>> Silas Leachman recorded "Ain't Dat A Shame" in 1901, but (IIRC)it was on 
>> the 
>> Monarch label. Incidentally, this song was a precursor to "Bill Bailey." 
>> This is one of those rare cases where the "answer" song became more famous 
>> than the original. 
>> 
>> Bud 
>> 
>> -------Original Message------- 
>> 
>> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net 
>> Date: 8/8/2009 1:39:32 PM 
>> To: 78-L 
>> Cc: Phonolist; Phono-L 
>> Subject: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's 
>> 
>> I just picked up a couple of really nice early silver & black 10" Columbia 
>> Ragtime Comedy songs with piano and vocal. Here are the numbers and titles: 
>> Ain't Dat a Shame" Baritone Solo No. 378 and "Every Morn I bring her 
>> Chicken 
>> " Baritone Solo No. 1448. "Ain't Dat a Shame" (a ragtime number sounding 
>> alot like a take off on "Won't you come home Bill Bailey) could be Bob 
>> Roberts, but I am not totally certain, while the "Chicken" song sounds a 
>> good deal like Dan W. Quinn, but again I would like to be sure as to who 
>> the 
>> artist is. Thanks in advance for your help. According to Steve's dating 
>> book 
>> 378 would be 1901 and 1448 would be 1903. 
>> 
>> Bruce 
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