[78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's

[David Lennick]

Aren't these from the era when next to no paperwork exists?

dl

Bud Black wrote:
> Whoever else it may be, it is (to my ears) certainly not Arthur Collins. 
> Arthur was a bass-baritone, and this singer is almost a tenor.  Even when
> slowing the recording down there is no way it is Mr. Collins.  This is my
> not-so-humble opinion.
> 
> Bud 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: David Lennick
> Date: 8/8/2009 5:25:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's
>  
> Since nobody's cited the take numbers yet, I'll provide what info is in the
> Columbia Books.
>  
> 378: All takes are by Arthur Collins. If it's a ten-inch Columbia, it should
> be
> take 2 and announced by Collins. If it's a ten-inch Climax, the take number
> isn't listed and it doesn't say if there's an announcement.
>  
> 1448: Both takes are Arthur Collins. No take # shown for the ten-incher, and
> the song is a parody of the 1900 art song "Violets" (Ev'ry Morning I Bring
> Thee
> Violets). Shades of Bob Rivers "When a Man Loves a Chicken", almost a
> century
> earlier!
>  
> dl
>  
> bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-0f94xcPE
>>
>> Ok, here it is up on You Tube "Ain't dat a shame", A Coon song Ragtime
> Classic, who is the artist, Collins, Denny, Roberts, Quinn?? Maybe even a
> very very early Eddie Morton (a bit too early for him I suspect).
>> Bruce
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>> From: "Craig Ventresco" <craigventresco at gmail.com>
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 2:39:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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>>
>> Hi,
>> Early Columbia records like these can have the same serial numbers and
>> different artists, depending on which take you get. For example, in my
>> collection I have three versions of Columbia 876 "Mr. Dooley". One is by
>> Edward M. Favor, one by Joe Natus and one by Will F. Denny. Some of these
>> were originally Climax records (and some of those first were issued on
>> Globe). In other words, you need check the take numbers, and then refer to
>> Tim Brooks' Columbia discography. OR--play them because they might be
>> announced. My 7" Columba of Bill Bailey is by Roberts, but I also have a
> ten
>> inch by Collins (same serial number, of course). I have Ain't Dat a Shame
> by
>> Denny, but have heard other takes by other artists. These are both from
>> 1902. I guess back then Columbia and other companies considered the
> artists
>> interchangable, and the songs themselves to sell the records. I am no
> expert
>> on this stuff, but I am really into early discs like these, and probably
>> could tell you who is singing on yours if you want to put them on here.
>> I knew one collector who was really into Edward M. Favor and searched for
>> years for a copy of Columbia 111 ("Who threw the Overhaulls in Mistress
>> Murphy's Chowder?" ) as sung by him. and kept turning them up by Denny,
>> Quinn...but no Favor. Finally he found one.
>> Columbia issued so many takes of some titles in these early days that the
>> collector of this kind of stuff will never get bored. Billy Golden
> recorded
>> "Turkey in the Straw" over and over and over, and they're all good.
> Recently
>> I found take 6, which has the most intense ragtime piano accompaniment.
> The
>> others have piano acc also, but none compare with this take--of those I
> have
>> heard...
>> Hope thi helps a little...
>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> yes, interesting "Ain't dat a shame" 1901, and Bill Bailey, I believe was
>>> 1901. So I am still looking for confirmation as to who did this 1901
> version
>>> on Columbia, and I suspect it is Bob Roberts, but I am not positive.
>>> Wonderful turn of the Century ragtime classic with sort of an early blues
>>> quality to it.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
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>>>
>>> Silas Leachman recorded "Ain't Dat A Shame" in 1901, but (IIRC)it was on
>>> the
>>> Monarch label. Incidentally, this song was a precursor to "Bill Bailey."
>>> This is one of those rare cases where the "answer" song became more
> famous
>>> than the original.
>>>
>>> Bud
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
>>> Date: 8/8/2009 1:39:32 PM
>>> To: 78-L
>>> Cc: Phonolist; Phono-L
>>> Subject: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's
>>>
>>> I just picked up a couple of really nice early silver & black 10"
> Columbia
>>> Ragtime Comedy songs with piano and vocal. Here are the numbers and
> titles:
>>> Ain't Dat a Shame" Baritone Solo No. 378 and "Every Morn I bring her
>>> Chicken
>>> " Baritone Solo No. 1448. "Ain't Dat a Shame" (a ragtime number sounding
>>> alot like a take off on "Won't you come home Bill Bailey) could be Bob
>>> Roberts, but I am not totally certain, while the "Chicken" song sounds a
>>> good deal like Dan W. Quinn, but again I would like to be sure as to who
>>> the
>>> artist is. Thanks in advance for your help. According to Steve's dating
>>> book
>>> 378 would be 1901 and 1448 would be 1903.
>>>
>>> Bruce
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